This is one death that has hit me hard, said some stuff about it on FB and i wont bore anyone by repeating it here but Grant wrote most of my fave HD songs and this band means so much to me, even though I wasnt even aware of them in my lifetime. Ive been a huge fan for 25 years now and Grants death has been a terrible shock.
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Monday, 18 September 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
May 5, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0wV6iUliiE
― pplains, Monday, 18 September 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
xpost I honestly don't know enough about what I'm talking about, but seems like mould songs, while they can be played open, were generally played as power chords. Whereas Grant songs, while obviously bob played them as power chords, were probably written/played open by Grant.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 September 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
watch any live performance of any of those songs- Bob's hand rarely leaves the first or second position unless he's soloing. he talks a lot in his book about his use of open chords and drone notes
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
reposted by Brigid on the GH facebook page, feel like i should share here even if it's overkill:
Grant did not want a memorial service but sadly he can’t argue with us about it and we need to do thisto honor him and show our respect for the amazing man that he was. We thought it best to wait a few months so we have time to put The Con d'Or Foundation in place. We also want to make sure that everyone who wants to attend will have the time to make the proper arrangements. We will be lookingat the possibility of a fundraising event which will benefit The Con d'Or Foundation to coincide with the memorial. Grant put a lot of thought into deciding that he wanted the foundation to serve the needs of women artists and we are going to do everything to make it happen and to be what he envisioned. We will let you know the details as soon as we can.
He was the best man (right next to my Dad) that I have ever known and I was so lucky that we found each other. Thank you all for the messages and love, you have no idea how much it is appreciated. The life that Grant and I shared was so incredibly special and something that we kept very much to ourselves. He respected that I am a very private person because for as much of a public figure as he was, he was also very private. Surprisingly, for as non-traditional as he was, he was equally traditional. For as irreverent as he couldbe he was equally reverent. I am hoping that following his wishes will help ease the pain and fill the hole that his passing has left until we are together again.
:(everyone i know who was a fan is feeling this loss really hard.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:25 (six years ago) link
Not overkill Thank you v much for posting that here
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link
def check for the new City Pages tomorrow
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link
I've been hesitant to post anything from FB. Just because I'm a stalker doesn't mean that I have to bring everybody else into my world.
That said, her remembrances have been a joy to read. The profile pic of him looking up at the bust of Milton on her page eases me at least into knowing he went out with a peaceful mind.
(Obv., LL, your quote is very appropriate here. It's been me who's been restraining from posting his son's tietheknot pics and going OMG THEY LOOK JUST LIKE EACH OTHER!)
― pplains, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i love this reason of Bob's, don't want to sound like this iconic song no one can seem to remember the name of by global mega stars Dream Syndicate that dominated the airwaves and MTV in the fall of 84!!
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 15, 2017 12:53 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc Bob said "2541" had the same riff and melody as the Dream Syndicate song, and he didn't want the band to be accused of plagiarism.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
It was bs, whatever it was. Bob had no problem sounding like "The Lion Sleeps Tonite" when he did "If I Can't Change Your Mind" a few years later.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
http://www.thirdav.com/hd_images/msp_sites/2541_house.html
"At one rehearsal Grant submitted a song, we played through it a couple of times, and after a moment I said, "Grant, I don't know about this one. It's the same riff and melody as a Dream Syndicate song that's out right now." The song was called "2541." Later I realized it was probably about a failed relationship he'd had, that it carried a lot of emotional weight for him at the time, and that it was one of the best songs he'd ever written. But at the time, I just wasn't putting it together. I only meant to point out something. I think it really hurt him, and he think he viewed me as an adversary from then on. Years later I felt bad about it, and I often wondered if it might have been the beginning of the end."In the passage above, Bob is referring to the New Day Rising sessions, so the song dates to at least 1984, if not earlier.
In the passage above, Bob is referring to the New Day Rising sessions, so the song dates to at least 1984, if not earlier.
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
Terms of Psychic Warfare is Run Runaway by Slade, but mould was ok with that
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
Nah. But I would love to hear Run Runaway with huge sheets of stun guitar.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
I walked around singing "Make Your Own Kind of Music" after I heard it on the radio and it sounded just like the way GH sings "He rides the California Zephyr" In the KEXP performance he says something about picking musical berries and then the camera showed what I think was a little bowl of raspberries <3
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
'picking musical berries' i love that
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
Is it okay to still admire them both? Some of the recent praise for Grant has had a distinctly anti-Bob tone, and I don't think it's a zero-sum game - not singling out this thread, just sayin.
― Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
personally, i do not believe praising grant = dissing bobi love them both
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
identify with them both too, for different reasons!
yup
definitely wkiw grant before bob and much more interested in solo grant than solo bob but within the realm of husker bob is a genius
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
Well, that caveat is important. For a guy with some, what, almost 15 post HD records, there is very little compelling about solo Mould, imo. Copper Blue/Beaster, then maybe the last couple, which are very self-aware BOB MOULD OF HUSKER DU records. As a person, however, Mould seems to be in a good place right now.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
I consider the first two Sugar records on par with a lot of Husker Du tbh
He probably has like 5 solo albums from the post 00s I haven't even heard
I was gonna make a Spotify list mashing up Workbook and Intolerance to try to create the "lost" Husker Du album (even though I'm sure the real last Huskers record would have been way different, also the production on those two is pretty hard to reconcile they are so different)
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
Mould's '14 album got looottts of play at the college station here – I was surprised.
And, yeah, Sugar is def on part with HD.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
I'm a much bigger fan of Bob's songs in HD, but I agree that most of his solo work is zzzzzzzzzzzz. Grant is more interesting as a solo artist. and no, it's not a zero sum game. They were very different songwriters & that was a big part of what made that band great, that tension.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
i can't with Sugar
it's so boring!
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
It's not a dis on Mould, but post-Du I don't think it's unfair to say that Grant's contributions were diminished, especially as it related to the narrative around Hart being strung out on the last albums.
― campreverb, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
yeah I can't get into Sugar besides If I Can't Change Your Mind. Bob got aggressively boring almost immediately after HD dissolved.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
See a Little Light is cool
Workbook and Black Sheets of Rain kept me company in high school as well as any other albums I had did, and I think Beaster is the best Sugar but it's also the gnarliest. I did not like "Gee Angel"/FU:EL Sugar much, maybe too Sugary for me?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
"See A Little Light" is such a good song -- only I just looked at the lyrics and it says "Listen there's music in the air" and for bazumpteen years I thought it was "listen, there's music in me yeah"
lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
Man, I wish I could remember where I read the Workbook review where the writer just went on and on about THERE'S NOT ONE, BUT TWO FUCKING SONGS ABOUT POULTRY ON THIS RECORD.
― pplains, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
When I saw Mould a few yrs back he played See A Little Light in the midst of an otherwise all Husker set and it sat just fine among those songs.
I did all the Sugar records, his solo career I've dipped into here & there and its always "good" without being great or really compelling to want to revisit.
Grant's solo stuff, possibly just becuz I'm so familiar with it, has always been more interesting to me.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
The FUEL record was boring to me, too much of that one guitar sound.
Selfishly I sort of wish he had retired the electric band set up after 98 and go the full Richard Thompson route
He plays Hoover Dam and If I Can't Change Your Mind live with the distortion and I don't really get it. Has this dulling effect after a while.
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
I can live in the Mellotron solo in "Hoover Dam" forever.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
I can imagine Workbook as "aggressively boring" – I don't think so; the album was a comfort to me in early college too – but Sugar?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
I can remember the exhilaration when I first heard "Helpless" and "Changes" on the radio.
MoTreacle, I saw a Bob solo show a while back (with Kristin Hersh, Christ, maybe 2005?) and it was pretty Richard Thompsonish except louder.
― Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
lol I was such a purist snob back in the day that I have STILL not fully listened to Candy Apple Grey or Warehouse, let alone Sugar! I did review The Argument like 4 years ago, I like that one. Definitely need to hear Intolerance.
my loss w/those later Husker records, I know, but when I tried I couldn't get past the terrible sound, whereas all the earlier stuff sounds fine to me.
when I saw them in '86 it was the first time I had seen a circle pit in a big venue, even at like lol age 20 I was like "these kids are RUINING MY HARDCORE"
― sleeve, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
Pits at those late Husker Du shows were confused phenomena. Like pretending to throw the ball for the golden retriever, and it still runs furiously to find it.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
This one is especially insane (people jumping from the balcony into the pit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1fBMtaVd9s
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
btw that is easily one of my favorite live videos on youtube, full on stun guitar, and Bob plays his guitar like it's a machine gun
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
I was such a purist snob back in the day that I have STILL not fully listened to Candy Apple Grey or Warehouse, let alone Sugar!
haha that was me too. except i did give mould's post-du career a shot for awhile and found things to like about both workbook and copper blue. but the noisier his post-du guitars got, the less i liked him. i thought the guitar sound was consistently terrible and hard to listen to for any length of time. whereas his gtr sound in husker du's heyday is one of my favorite things ever.
i still don't have much use for warehouse, though listening to "could you be the one" this week for the first time in years i can appreciate, even fall for, the craft. change some words and clean up the sound and it would be a good sitcom theme song.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
i would still take my least favorite post-Huskers solo song (which might be "Gee Angel" if I had to pick) over "Dyslexic Heart"
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
I'm p sure i heard Land Speed Record on college/indie radio, but i didn't actually get to a gig til the New Day Rising tour, where I got socked in the nuts in the pit.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
i guess that was Sugar not solo but whateveri irrationally hated that song the first time i heard it
sorry you got socked in the nuts, dr m
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
thx, i got over it.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
i would take getting socked in the nuts in a pit over "dyslexic heart."
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
really really didn't like Warehouse at the time, but I sure as hell liked the below…watching this now is awaking muscle memory from watching this over and goddamn over…is it possible this has not been posted yet? sorry if it has…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vefkvjcjNj8
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
that joan rivers perf is the one that made me start to appreciate "could you be the one." listening to it again right now i can hear pretty much sugar's entire oeuvre inside that song.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
that something i learned today clip is great
it's so nuts that in 1984, Purple Rain, Zen Arcade and Let it Be all came out of Minneapolis
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
was kinda disappointed to read in Bob's book that "Could You Be the One" was a total toss-off, I forget the exact phrase he used but he essentially called it totally meaningless & an assembly line sort of song. he said the same thing about "Don't Know for Sure," which I can see more sort of, even though I love that song too...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link