Is Billy Corngasm actually going by 'Bill' these days or is that all you, flappy?
― the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
he's going by william patrick corgan
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
no i just think it's funny to call him Bill. and yeah he's going by his full name or just WPC for this record
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
i'd like to upgrade my opinion from "not embarrassing" to "my favorite thing dude's put out since machina 2"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 16 October 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
yes!!!
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
He was on Howard today. Great interview, less rushed than 2014 and as good as 2012. Clearly happier & more relaxed now. Still somewhat cranky but fatherhood has really sanded the edges down. No crazy talk. He performed 1979, Aeronaut, and Neil Young's After the Gold Rush on acoustic guitar. Some interesting bits:
-Reiterated how grateful he is to James, D'arcy, and Jimmy for supporting him 100% from the very beginning - from his singing voice, to his songs, to his "zig-zag" stylistic turns in the early pre-Gish years and beyond. He's on good terms with all 3 now.-He was recently apologizing to D'arcy for being an asshole in the band and she cut him off and said, "Billy. You wrote so many great songs, we never would've done that without you being that way. We were lazy, we were misguided. You had to be that way." Said it was a profoundly healing moment.-Chris Fabian tried to gain ownership of Billy's catalogue of songs when they were getting a divorce.-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.-Not on good terms with his father right now, didn't come to visit his son.-Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.
i never knew this but it's certainly one of the best songs he's ever written
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 16 October 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
agreed. especially when he performs it acoustically. there's a great performance from Steve Jones' radio show in 2005, and he's been doing it on the current tour. Really excited for the show on Wednesday - at the two shows he did in Brooklyn, he didn't repeat a single song in the second set. First set is the new album + "If I Were a Carpenter" by Tim Hardin.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
Also, as far as his voice is concerned... I don't think he was lying when he said he could "slip into the old Pumpkins voice" whenever he wanted. This video gave me chills. Sounds like a mid-90's performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjWD05OTZug
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
he also said that he's met a reptilian and hinted at anderson cooper being a globalist illuminati guy
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
anderson cooper's hit piece on Billy's charity mag cover with his cats was inexplicable & bizarre though. the way he described it was exactly as it went down. I don't blame him for making those "FUCK YOU ANDERSON COOPER" t-shirts in 2014. as for the "shapeshifter" (his words), my man was talking about his mom's ghost stealing pages of his memoir and psychics seeing dead friends earlier in the interview. he's always been drawn to that stuff & super paranoid- I think in the Kim Thayil "the core, the heart music" thread, there's a link to a post from someone who worked with him circa 2009, when Billy bought a bunch of gold bricks because he was convinced the dollar was about to collapse.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
it wasnt that bizarre. he has a silly segment on his show for lol fun stuff and that pic was a meme before anderson ever put it on his show.
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
No crazy talk.Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
yeah that's just a cool story
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
I disagree. yes it was a meme, it's a cute & funny pic, but Cooper's piece was so mean-spirited, lacked context & was disingenuous. It was a misleading segment- and yeah it was a tag at the end of his show, but I don't blame Billy for being pissed. I usually laugh at Billy when his persecution complex flares up, but this was a weird one. Don't know if AC is going to Eyes Wide Shut ceremonies but w/e, Billy was fine today.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link
I can understand someone not clued into Billy Corgan's activities in 2014 (aka most people) not knowing that it was a charity mag, that Billy's done "silly"/"schmaltzy" stuff like this his entire career, that the Smashing Pumpkins or even Billy were still active and making work. But to do such a nasty piece w/o any journalistic regard for real fact-checking, it was really weird. and yeah, lol fun segment sure, but it's CNN.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
(Billy Corgan pic) "look at this idiot fool Corgan"–Anderson Cooper
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link
he hurt him deeply, he hurt him deeply in his heart
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link
the chorus of "Processional" keeps hitting me really hard. the first side of this record is really fucking phenomenal. can't wait for the show tomorrow.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
You're seeing him tomorrow? Still not listened to the new one. Constant 'just when I thought I was out he pulls me back in' feels with this dude. I'll cave, no doubt.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:32 (six years ago) link
Dude, listen to it. I'm pretty forgiving of his post-2000 work but I'm completely with Brad, it's by far the best album he's done since the Pumpkins split. There have been great moments in the last 17 years, but this is seriously something else. Sound palette is really nice (all piano/acoustic guitar/strings/mellotron), the songs are really strong, and he sounds like he actually gives a shit for once. He sounds open and vulnerable in a way he hasn't in a really long time. He also sounds happier and more relaxed. It's the most earnest work he's done since Adore. It's the same Pumpkins magic - like, any song on side 1 could fit in on Mellon Collie. I also feel a strange personal investment in Billy's happiness and state of mind that isn't that uncommon with big SP fans and I'm really happy that he sounds like he has his life more or less figured out at this point. It's a great fucking record.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
such a great show. the new album is so, so beautiful. this is exactly the context he needs to be in at 50: by himself with a piano and a guitar (and a little bit of harmonica!).
first set was the new record + "If I Were a Carpenter" by Tim Hardin
second set:
StarlaPale HorseMuzzleOf a Broken HeartLandslideAnnie-DogColumbusSomaWish You Were HereDrum + FifeWinterlongGossamerStand Inside Your LoveTonight, Tonight---SpaceboyAge of InnocenceFarewell and Goodnight
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 October 2017 04:10 (six years ago) link
Oceania was the last gasp, IMO.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 19 October 2017 06:50 (six years ago) link
Pale Horse on piano was great
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 October 2017 06:54 (six years ago) link
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:50 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that last gasp sure was recent
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:05 (six years ago) link
I fucking love this new album by William Patrick Corgan :-/
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 October 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
it's great :\
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
that last gasp sure was recent― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:05 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:05 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Indeed, but it came after a near-decade of not particularly great music, and was followed by a half-decade of not particularly great music. Including this. So that's... what? One excellent album in nearly 15 years? Yeah. Cool.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 19 October 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
this record is much better than oceania but ok dude
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
yeah no contest this is by far the best thing he's done in many, many years. this is a record i'll be listening to more than a week after release.
also, seeing him play a lot of "lesser" later songs last night on piano/acoustic guitar showed that his ability to write great songs & melodies hasn't diminished as much as he's lost his ear for production & going too far in the studio. he made me like Drum + Fife last night on the piano. Pale Horse was another highlight. thank god for rick rubin
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 October 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
'Pale Horse' is always a highlight.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
WPC's voice has so much weird vibrato that it sounds insane when he harmonizes the longer notes in Amarinthe
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link
Turrican -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKGVw4-CN0
― flappy bird, Thursday, 26 October 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
I'm suddenly wanting to listen to Oceania again ... 'Panopticon' fucking rules.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 26 October 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
lol this video rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_4dx_0Qdk
― flappy bird, Friday, 3 November 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
the second set in LA last night was pretty nuts. he's doing four nights at Hollywood Forever Cemetery, first two nights were the same as the rest of the tour, last night after Ogilala he played:
Jesus is the SunCrushSnailPurr SnicketyMayonaiseRocketPorcelina of the Vast OceansIn the Arms of SleepGalapagosShameTearPerfectWoundWith Every LightGlass and the Ghost Children---The End of the World [Skeeter Davis]Let Me Give the World To You
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
wow that’s a fucking setlist
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 13 November 2017 02:12 (six years ago) link
damn
― crüt, Monday, 13 November 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link
Purr Snickety!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 08:58 (six years ago) link
night 4:
I FallSpace Oddity [David Bowie]RiverviewOnce in a WhileLyricEyeTonight, TonightPinwheelsSootheTo SheilaBox of Rain [Grateful Dead]Friends as Lovers, Lovers as FriendsSpaceboyLandslide [Fleetwood Mac]Burnt Orange-Black---Stand Inside Your LoveMuzzle
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
Please tell me you are a witness at all these nights, Flapp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
I wish, I'm on the opposite coast. I was really happy with the show I saw in Delaware, I posted the setlist from the second set of that show upthread. Pretty remarkable that he played Soothe and Once in a While, the latter of which hasn't been played since that infamous Cat's Cradle show in early 2000 when Jimmy was out with a "jellyfish sting" and Billy & James played by themselves.
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
yo flappy i hate to say these words all in one post but: have you listened to billy's recent interview with joe rogan, it's pretty fantastic
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
yeah it was great! i watched it on friday without reading any of the comments anywhere beforehand because i knew it could go in a lot of different directions. it went as well as it could've gone imo. Billy very humble & interesting & making an effort to get on an even keel with Joe, who clearly had a peripheral knowledge of the Pumpkins at best. it was a good contrast to Billy's appearances on Howard (massive SP fan) where they usually talk mostly about childhood neglect, abuse, trauma. I enjoyed the conversation with Joe about fame, celebrity, and the 'behind the curtain' machinations of show business. fwiw I think Joe gets a bad rap, he's had some shit guests but he's a pretty open-minded and even-keeled and positive guy. I watch/listen to his podcast fairly regularly depending on the guest.
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
problem seems to be that he is so open-minded that he can convince himself of anything
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
sure, depending on the guest. he knows very little about a lot. he gets stoned and interviews comedians, rockstars, scientists, academics, his friends, pundits, crazy people. it's fun
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
stoned guy asking scientist about extrapolations of quantum physics is a state every aged fraternity brother seems to occupy for at least a little while.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
hell yeah brother
― flappy bird, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
lol
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 November 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
Great interview!
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link