haha that guy at 4:23 is having such a good time
― niels, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
who's with dylan in those photos?
Keltner and Drummond (drummer and bass player, respectively)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
Just got the 2-disc version. I've never really got into this stuff on the studio albums. Curious
― Duke, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
here, take a brochure, it has the words to today's hymns in it
― j., Monday, 6 November 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
Jesus....rocks
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
have you heard the good news?
santana's solo on "the groom's still waiting at the altar" really goes in
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/mp/compositions/P1001859509MPC1003190313/views/1,width=300,height=300,appearanceId=70,backgroundColor=E8E8E8,version=1468495391/jesus-rock-and-roll-men-s-ringer-t-shirt.jpg
― tylerw, Monday, 6 November 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
the "Blessed by the Name" on disc 2 of the 2CD set is so nuts, just a freight (not slow) train of a groove
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
sometimes it's so over the top with the fervor and the backup singers i wonder if nick cave had heard some of these boots when he was making lyre of orpheus/abbatoir blues
(or henry's dream)
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 November 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
Consideringg what a "Street-Legal" fan Cave is I am guessing he most have, I was thinking the same thing over the wknd but yeah this live band is totally a Lyre of Oh/Abby Blues template
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 6 November 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
From Mojo magazine, January 1997:MOJO: What, if push comes to shove, is your all-time favourite album?CAVE: I guess it's Slow Train Coming by Bob Dylan. That's a great record, full of mean-spirited spirituality. It's a genuinely nasty record, certainly the nastiest 'Christian' album I've ever come across.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 6 November 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
esp. the more gospelly they get (away from the apex of 'slow train' sleaze), i think the band often sounds not far from what you can often hear on like those 'fire in my bones' comps, church bands playing, don't see why cave couldn't have heard some of that sort of stuff the normal ways back in the day (or since)
― j., Tuesday, 7 November 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
Reminds me: wonder if he ever heard this, before doing all that? Originally released in 1969, so maybe---see for yourself which songs, several I wouldn't have thought of for this, but I like it (also might have been an influence on New Morning, a little bit*, though not sure when that was recorded):https://lightintheattic.net/releases/1007-dylan-s-gospel
*Also maybe the black gospel-associated harmonists x white country-associated steel guitar [before most of us listeners knew about the black church communities documented much later in Sacred Steel) on the chorus of "George Jackson" ( a rare if not unprecented musical move at the time, and taken as standing for solidarity): https://revolutionaryfrontlines.wordpress.com/2011/08/21/george-jackson-a-song-by-bob-dylan-1971/ Not great, but very much to the point, and unabashedly related then to some events still controversial in some respects (incl. Jackson's whole life, as well as death, and the Marin County Courthouse shoot-out afterwards)(Also "Property of Jesus" etc. got covered later.)
― dow, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 00:39 (six years ago) link
In case that won't play, here's a key line: "Sometimes I think this whole world/Is one big prison yard/Some of us are prisoners/The rest of us are guards."
― dow, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
^^ has "George Jackson" ever been reissued? great tune.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
think it was only included the mid-1970s Masterpieces comp (I might be wrong though ...)
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
the acoustic version is on this
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615D-Rvn6eL._SX355_.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
xp that's the (edited) "big band" version from the A-side, Number None's link is the acoustic B-side
so I guess it has been reissued, buried in two separate 3LP/2CD comp sets
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
on the plus side the starting Discogs price is $3
BS13 is mighty good
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
Finally listened to the sampler on Spotify last night---17 tracks, 76 minutes---and maybe it's an unfortunate choice of tracks, compared to the actual (2-disc standard, 8-disc/1 DVD etc. box) releases)--but, despite a few engaging cuts ("I can manipulate people as well as anybody!" Sounds even happier when he combines this with "I ain't gonna go to hell for anybody!" Not even victory over family is worth that!), I found much of this increasingly oppressive, especially on headphones. Like locking myself in the basement with something dead and rotting, someone else's reeking, blood-soaked dreams of vengence on shadows of will, bulletproof suits with flys open, tantalizing, do-wrong women---many of whom seem like shadows, projections of his own insatiable, paranoid drive, maybe xpost cocaine dreams and then some.Yes, the performers, including him, are putting out, but so far, most of the time, just doesn't seem worth it. What I get for going once more into the charms of Spotify (b-but it's never been like this---at least the commercials brought fleeting relief)
― dow, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
"Everytime I say 'You' I mean 'I'," he once said in an interview, and he seemed to live that self-awareness in some writing, some performances, as I mentioned above--but he seems to have forgotten it here, and this phase went on for years---wonder how he came out of it, as the songs gradually got better (maybe he just decided to keep some shit to himself, but that seems like a major achievement, after hearing this).
― dow, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link
I don't find this stuff to be less hectoring or joyless or whatever than most of his best stuff. I guess I can see for listeners sensitive enough abt being proselytized to that the condemned "you" scans as you the listener, it could make you feel like Sara Dylan w/ front row seats for Idiot Wind
Personally I could give a shit. This is hands down his best band. He's in peak voice, the energy is often up there w/ the best Rolling Thunder nights. The songs are by and large really good.
The Toronto discs 5-6 are just amazing
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
less more
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
This is hands down his best band. He's in peak voice, the energy is often up there w/ the best Rolling Thunder nights
Clearly this is a matter of taste, I don't rate his 70s live voice very highly, find it too shouty on both Before the Flood, Rolling Thunder and Hard Rain.
What's the best Dylan band? We might poll this one, if we're able to find an overview of all the constellations. John Wesley Harding trio is a personal favorite with Kenny Buttrey on drums and Charlie McCoy on bass.
― niels, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:12 (six years ago) link
picked up the 6-disc Basement Tapes for 50 bucks and have been wallowing in it all day, damn this stuff is great. I haven't gotten to disc 6 yet but I'll be the judge of "very poor sonic quality" thank you very much
love dow's posts about this upthread, all this stuff works as a whole with the throwaways, the fragments, the covers, and the staggering originals all mixed up in a stoned loose flow. I never went much further than the 1-disc Safety Tape, still am not very familiar with the rejigged '75 2LP, so most of this stuff is a revelation
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 December 2017 04:22 (six years ago) link
The first few tracks with Joan Baez are fine.
The rest are dull, and if the sound quality had been great, they'd still be dull.
― Mark G, Sunday, 10 December 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
Joan Baez? She is not on the basement tapes. Dull? No!
― tylerw, Sunday, 10 December 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
as usual Mark G has absolutely no idea what he's talking about
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 December 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
get out of this thread, you're fired
also, FP
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 December 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
what is going on here?still bumping Trouble No More a lot, Fred Hackett is my hero
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 December 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
what's going on here is that The Complete Basement Tapes are awesome, I know I'm late to that party and we're all talking about the new set but hey this is the Bootleg Series thread.
disc 6 sounds fine to me!
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 December 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
the version of "the auld triangle" on the basement tapes box is one of the best things
― J. Sam, Sunday, 10 December 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
Oh, that was the other set, nm.
― Mark G, Sunday, 10 December 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
i know greil marcus builds up sign on the cross as the earthquake omitted from the 2LP but my favorite of the left-outs is definitely All I Have to Do is Dream
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 11 December 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
Trouble No More is so good.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 29 December 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link
I got the 2-disc set for Christmas. So far I've listened to the 1st disc. I already knew and loved most of the songs from the original studio albums, and in a few cases at least I think I still prefer the studio versions (especially the ones on Saved vs some of the early live performances where it seems like the road-testing of the songs improved them), but some of the performances reveal whole new sides of the songs or feature a particularly great vocal, so this for me is well worth having.
― o. nate, Friday, 29 December 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
To me it's worth it just for the super cool intro he does for Solid Rock...
"Gonna do a request tonight. Somebody shouted out a song called Solid Rock. Hanging onto a solid rock made before the foundation of the world, is that the one you mean?"
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 29 December 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
haha yeah that's great
― niels, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
Just finished the new Clinton Heylin book accompanying the set.... Some of it familiar from Behind The Shades but a good deep read on the period nonetheless
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
I just wish Property Of Jesus was on the 2 cd live set, that's always been my favorite fire and brimstone Bob song.
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
I dug out "Slow Train Coming" recently because of this set, and liked it more than I thought I was going to.
So, may be back 'on the bus' regarding this set,
― Mark G, Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
Has anyone watched the dvd documentary? My local art house theatre is doing a one time showing of the doc in a few weeks and was wondering if it was worth catching.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
I'm amazed and touched to find that (12-13 years ago) I started this thread!
Came here seeking views on TROUBLE NO MORE. Will read with interest. I just have the 2CD set.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
I didn't recall that there was a whole Clinton Heylin book on this. (Is there any Dylan he hasn't written a book about?)
Though quite a Dylan fan I have NEVER heard the Christian LPs before -- most of these songs come to me totally new. I find it remarkable that he played dozens of concerts, for months, playing ONLY the new songs, nothing from before c.1978 -- very unlike what he went back to doing later in the 1980s I think.
My sense is that the Christian message doesn't get in the way too much for me (though it's not my kind of message, especially as, as all know, it's so hectoring and aggressive) - maybe many of the other LPs had this kind of lyrical material anyway, just less concentrated? -- and the big bonus seems to be the band.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
Heylin book just came out last fall as a companion to the new Bootleg Series (a la his recent 1966 book). haven't read it yet, but plan on it ... EZ, just finally watched the DVD and it's great. Michael Shannon sermons might be a little iffy for some, but I don't know, they add an interesting wrinkle ... I do wish that they'd also have included the complete Toronto show in pristine quality, but I guess YouTube will have to suffice for now. The semi-staged rehearsal footage at Rundown Studios is pretty interesting — the version of "Abraham Martin & John" that comes at the end is kind of stunning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbveLDvePDQ
Would love a whole album made up of these Dylan / Clydie duets ... they sound amazing together here. There's an uncirculating session from 1982 apparently:
Rundown Studios
Santa Monica, California
1 June 1982
Clydie King session.
1. Standing In The Light
2. Average People
3. Average People
4. Average People
5. In The Heat Of The Night
6. Dream A Little Dream Of Me
Clydie King (vocal), Bob Dylan (organ, guitar, bass), Jimmie Haskell (piano).
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
oh yeah, that's a great little performance!
you have to be kind of fearless to sing with Bob like that, but here it totally works
― niels, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link