kooky are remastering/reissuing the first four albums as a box set - good chance to get without mercy easily on disc for the first time in a good while
― lolsdale street (electricsound), Thursday, 14 May 2009 04:20 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.kookydisc.co.uk/2009_02_01_archive.html#3761157670806880963
Already have the first four albums but the demos and live stuff are bound to be interesting.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 14 May 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Fuck me, he's hard to keep up with, isn't he? I seem to have missed an album recently (Sunlight to Blue ...) but I've just got Love In The Time of Recession and the Wilson song is something else entirely. Wow.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 14 May 2009 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Just checked out parts of "guitar and other" on Sptfy, mmmmm......
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 May 2009 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I actually prefer Sunlight to Blue over Love In the Time of Recession but the Tribute to Anthony is the best song on both discs.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 14 May 2009 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Now we're talking.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 14 May 2009 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
This is amazing, and it's from their 2006 album
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
So down for live tracks from the Without Mercy period.
― Everybody Wants To Shag King Boy Pato (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 17 May 2009 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
box out tomorrow..
http://cerysmaticfactory.info/the_durutti_column_four_factory_albums.html
― phillippa minge (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 04:52 (fifteen years ago) link
are these different masters than the last remasters?
― akm, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link
different to the ones on factory once yes
― phillippa minge (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 08:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sure glad I don't have ears good enough to usually notice the difference! The factory ones had some useful bonus tracks like the Amigos en Portugal record tacked on.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
where oh where to start?
the song posted above (it's wonderful) came up as a related video on youtube as i was searching for a certain ratio tracks to compare studio to
never heard much of this band but it seems like something i would like. is there a best of or can someone prod me towards a primer?
thanks
― Richard D JAMMs muthafuckas! (Karen Tregaskin), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
It's a bit of an obvious choice, but my favourite from end-to-end has always been Vini Reilly. There's masses of amazing stuff on the other albums, but that's the one I return to most. The "best of" upthread is pretty decent too as a primer.
Also, whenever this thread gets revived I feel compelled to listen to Vini's opening riff on Morrissey's "Suedehead" because it is A+++.
― Bill A, Monday, 11 January 2010 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini? Wasn't he fairly unimpressed by Stephen Street's compositions, and declined to play on some of that record? So it may be Street impersonating Reilly playing Street...
― Michael Jones, Monday, 11 January 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link
im pretty sure he played on 'suedehead' but there was definitely friction.
― jive bunny and the masterilxers (history mayne), Monday, 11 January 2010 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link
don't know if this is offputting or not
yes yes eyerolling challops from a newbie but i can't stand moz or smiths and everything stephen street touches is tainted but creative tension indicates differing aesthetics
thanks for the tips bill a
― Richard D JAMMs muthafuckas! (Karen Tregaskin), Monday, 11 January 2010 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd agree that you can't really go wrong with Vini Reilly* ; the first two Durutti records are sublime too. My introduction was the Valuable Passages Factory comp, which has some of the best bits of his "classical" record, Without Mercy too.
(* - a huge bonus for me, though not for Karen, was the acoustic Vini/Moz 7" included with it, where Vini famously plays a bum note and they dissolve into laughter)
― Michael Jones, Monday, 11 January 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link
>Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini?
Yeah, I've read various bit and pieces about that riff's provenance (Antiques Roadshow style). To my ears, it's so like Reilly in composition, tone and style that *even if* it were Street trying to pastiche him or whatevs, then I don't care. But my money is that it's Vini, because it sticks out like a sore thumb from the jangling guitar on the rest of that song.
(and Karen, no sweat on the challops, Morrissey solo is very far from what I enjoy, although lots of love for The Smiths)
― Bill A, Monday, 11 January 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
i would always vote to start with "the return of.." and "LC", the former because it's beautiful and wondrous and the latter because it's probably vini's most accessible work.
tbh i think you could pretty much dip anywhere in his catalogue, though i can't say i'm a huge fan of a lot of his 90s work. wrt newer stuff, anything he's done from "someone else's party" onwards is definitely worth checking out.
― journey to the center of fat butt (electricsound), Monday, 11 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd recommend "LC" or "Another Setting" but anywhere from "Return of" to "Vini Reilly" will do as a starting point.
Some of Vini's 90s gear is well worth a spin if you're willing to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
― Radio Birdman Rally (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I recently started loving Obey the Time. It's his most electronic album, I think.
― Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Totally agree about Obey The Time. It's a great album and the electronic kick drums on a couple tracks sound exactly the same as on New Order's Technique. Do you have The Together Mix tracks?
http://www.discogs.com/Vini-Reilly-The-Together-Mix/release/515832
They're on the reissue of Obey the Time too.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
http://users.rcn.com/rpsweb/durutti-column/texts/liner-obeyR.html
Liner notes for the reissue. Back track on that site for a pretty great collection of scans.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
is the Keir referenced in those notes the same one who did Inch with Mark E Smith?
― journey to the center of fat butt (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I have the reissue of Obey The Time that includes the Together mix, tis great gear.
― Radio Birdman Rally (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
"Kiss of Def" is totes awes as well.
― Radio Birdman Rally (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Sucked into listening to DC again. Thanks thread! Anyway, I see that Durutti Column did a live session on BBC radio this week.
http://www.thedurutticolumn.com/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/console
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link
shit! except that's the wrong iplayer link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/thursday/console
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
why don't people just recommend circuses and bread when they recommend dc to newbies? it's got everything and more. and its a perfect starting point.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link
^that's my next fave after the first 2.
― journey to the center of fat butt (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Did LTM reissue Obey the Time? I only have the vinyl on Benelux. Is it worth buying for the bonus tracks? I should keep up with LTM more.
― Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
afaik 'obey the time', 'time was gigantic' and 'sex & death' are out of print, but all of them are easy to find s/hand
― journey to the center of fat butt (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link
actually i've just realised pretty much all their factory stuff post-C&B is only floating about in factory once/too form
― journey to the center of fat butt (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Hotel Of The Lake 1990 has been one of the songs I've started many dj set with. Maybe my favorite of his.
― Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link
why am I the only person who thinks Another Setting is by far the best?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 05:34 (fourteen years ago) link
actually "time was gigantic" is pretty difficult to get secondhand... unless you want to pay a ton of cash for it. same is true for the factory CD reissue of "without mercy" and the limited CD reissues of "live at the venue london" and "amigos em portugal." however, a lot of the other factory reissues like "return of..." and "LC" can be had for bargain prices even brand new. same is true for his post-nineties stuff... all readily available.
a dozen great tracks to sample from a variety of albums, in no particular order:
1. "the missing boy" from LC - the chorus of this song breaks my heart every time2. "conduct" from the return of... - on headphones this song can still make me walk into trees at the park at around the two minute mark3. "street fight/royal infirmary" from bread and circuses (reissue is called circuses and bread, but is the same) - he's the best guitarist in the world maybe, but when combined with such piano, he is devastating. i love how this song only really gives you the chorus once, forcing you to relisten to the whole track4. "the together mix" - available on the obey the time reissue, i think, originally a 12"? - 90s happy mondays-like thing, looped vocal a la tom's diner, fantastic5. "vigil" from somebody else's party - never heard a song that better expressed how it feels when someone close to you dies, maybe my favorite song by him ever6. "shooting" from tempus fugit - tony wilson thinks he should never sing, but i can't imagine the durutti column without vocal tracks like this one. he's a bit like new order, the lyrics are sometimes utterly childish, you can see the rhymes coming from miles away, but then he'll amaze you with it7. "love song on quattro" from tempus fugit - he does a lot of spanish guitar sounding stuff like this these days, and i think it's great.8. "silent nite" from the return of the sporadic recordings - eerie, lady singing, snowing probably9. "spent time" from another setting - i don't like this album, but it's got good stuff on it, they all do10. "never known" from LC and "never known version" from sunlight to blue... - he loves to do certain songs over and over again. "shooting" up there at #6 is another version of "longsight romance" from rebellion.
Perhaps it'd be good to start with these three albums to get a good sampling: LC, Vini Reilly, and Someone Else's Party?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 09:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I left out a lot from that list, too... I don't even own Sex and Death or Time was Gigantic. Oh yeah, probably best to avoid "Love in the Time of Recession" and "Rebellion" to begin with. Not saying they aren't good, just not a good intro.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks for the tips good ppls
now the problem is that the list of starting point suggestions is almost as large as the back catalogue
― Karen Tregaskin, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 11:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Hi everyone! Please help me! Could anybody put here the lyrics of song "Vigil"? I would really appreciate it!!! Thanks in advance!
Robert from Hungary
― figurehead, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Curiously, Someone Else's Party is one of the few DC albums I don't own.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The new '4 Men w/ Beards' reissue of LC doesn't include 'For Belgian Friends', anyone know why this is?
― coolsundays, Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
It wasn't on the original release either. It was a single released on Crepescule or whatever, iirc. Maybe they didn't get the rights. What is on that reissue? Why not just get the Factory Too reissue?
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
what is the purpose of the 4MWB re-issue, is the kooky box not good enough?
― the barenaked ladies are the roaring night (electricsound), Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://pantry.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/for-belgian-friends/
says it was released between albums.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
For Mimi, For Belgian Friends and Self-Portrait were on the A Factory Quartet double LP along with Kevin Hewick, Blurt and the Royal Family and the Poor.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, Robert From Hungary, here's my stab at the lyrics. Interesting song. I can't make them all out but this is a good bit of it.
Vigil
put some sounds in the walkmanand take a walk aroundand i have never heardsuch an emptiness in sound
theres a screaming tight?their rockets on stretching?make myself a drinktake a sip start watching
even though the hurdles smokeon an isolation tripforce myself to eatbut i know i'm getting sick
i came here like a partnerready for a fightdrown my lovers coffeeand settle for the night
? over broken peopleforetelling their own deathslistened in the darknessto someone fighting for her breath
compressed air is hissinghissing in the wingi don't believe in anythingbut i'm praying for a friend
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 11 November 2010 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
put some sounds in the walkmantake a walk aroundand I have never heardsuch an intumescent(?) sound
nerves are screaming tightthe rack (rot?) keeps on stretchingmake myself a drinktake a sip, start retching
given up the herbal smokeon an isolation tripforce myself to eatbut I know I'm getting sick
I came in like a hard manready for a fightdrank my lover's(?) coffeeand settled for the night
(?) with broken peopleforetelling their own deathslistening in the darknessto someone fighting for her breath
compressed air is hissingpissing in the windI don't believe in anythingbut I'm praying for a friend
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 12 November 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks both of you (brotherlovesdub and the girl from spirea x (f. hazel))! :) Keep on living the spirit! All the best, Robert
― figurehead, Friday, 12 November 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link