artists who plausibly appear to be good people

Bacon is one of my favourite artists that's the tragedy

Tombot, Ted Leo HAS been mentioned! By simon h.

Never met Ted Leo as far as I know but I was reasonably friendly with the drummer from Chisel (we worked together).

Anyway this thread: "What about (person X)?" "Sure, if you are okay with ignoring (sin Y)."

Personally I'm tempted to fall back on the "never admire anyone ever" plan. Enjoying and admiring and celebrating artworks, cool. People, broadly speaking appear to be no damn good (as Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor once said), myself included.

Liszt seems to have been the most utterly decent of the 19th century composers, though he did sleep around quite a bit and earned some bad blood that way (Marie d’Agoult never forgave him). But he was friends with arch-POS Wagner, and liszt’s longest lasting romantic partner, princess Caroline, was a horrible bigoted ideologue (he let her publish a book on Chopin under his name which he didn’t even read, and she ran with it, turning it into an anti-Semitic screed). Basically Liszt was too tolerant of asshole friends if they were intellectually/artistically brilliant, but he himself was fucking solid as hell in a century of giant assholes.

Ligeti has always struck me as a decent chap in a post war modern music scene full of, quote, giant assholes.

George Enescu appears to have been a pretty swell guy. Béla Bartók too, as far as I can tell.

As far as the postwar composers go, granted, Boulez was a provocateur, but he mellowed over the years, whereas Stockhausen just sank further and further into guruism.

Re: Grohl, who knows, but here's a podcast where the dude who was the first FF touring drummer talks about how he was a bully and that it was a generally miserable experience for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Md8htksIA

a post war modern music scene full of, quote, giant assholes.

"Assholes" in the sense of elitist or arrogant, right? I can't think of many examples that are as bad as the stuff we see on the other thread.

The Cult of Stockhausen always struck me as kind of gross, especially in light of his pseudo-polygamy, but I can't think of any other examples offhand.

i have no real negative opinion of Grohl but a lot of the purportedly hyper-positive in your face types tend to flip to extreme negativity and aggression quickly ime.

Biographies def reliable

Jilted drummers also

XP otm, rarely moreso than on ilx

herbert von karajan was a giant asshole

Sure, I think he was even mentioned in the other thread, but he mostly despised modern music anyway.

But he was friends with arch-POS Wagner

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:36

Wagner turned into a vampire and then into Hitler. I saw it in Lisztomania.

AFAICT, no one ever had a bad word to say about the Paleolithic human who first knocked two rocks together to keep a beat.

AFAICT, no one ever had a bad word to say about the Paleolithic human who first knocked two rocks together to keep a beat

Geir?

Nick Cave is one I hope puts his demons into songs and is upstanding outside of that.

except i heard once that dhurk mashed rock in groc's face to make other wet sound

Ha, what was pseudo about Stockhausen's polygamy?

I mostly get the impression that Schoenberg was a good sort btw.

That much-championed story about Grohl throwing a Taylor Swift album in the trash and making his daughter listen to Slayer or whatever kinda confirmed to me that he was kind of a jerk

Jesus was a dick to market traders and underperforming fig trees can we lock this sorry ass thread now

refuse to believe bono is a nice person tbh

Ha, what was pseudo about Stockhausen's polygamy?

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)

Oh, just in the nitpicky sense that he wasn't legally married to all of them (at least I assume so since it's forbidden in Germany). But for all intents and purposes…

refuse to believe bono is a nice person tbh

― i n f i n i t y (∞)

He is, after all, a tax dodger, which is all you need to know about him.

i hope we've reached Peak Judgementalism

Hasn't this place always been about passive-agressive judgmentalism? I'm sure we've still got a ways to go before the zenith is attained.

snoop dogg appears to be good people

― brimstead, miércoles 15 de noviembre de 2017 2:13 (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post

Snoop, the feminist champion. I remember back in 2003 watching him arriving at the MTV awards with two women in dog collars and leashes

Yeah, that was around when he was pimping just for the fun of it: http://www.theroot.com/that-time-snoop-ran-an-actual-brothel-1790896418 . I'm guessing brimstead was kidding?

POLL: Days until the "artists who plausibly appear to be good people" thread is milkshake ducked

It seems like the answer is "zero"

As far as the postwar composers go, granted, Boulez was a provocateur, but he mellowed over the years, whereas Stockhausen just sank further and further into guruism.

Boulez was more than just a provocateur, also I don't think he mellowed too much, he was still dismissing composers he didn't like as amateurs in his dotage.

I don't mind any of that though, it's quite entertaining. Stockhausen's increasing guru complex was more silly than anything else, the fact that the music wasn't as good was what was important.

There's a story in a recent book called When Rock Went To College about the Who's only appearance in Lancaster (UK) in the spring of 1970. After their show at the university, they were driven back to their hotel, where they requested coffees, teas, and plates of sandwiches. The hotel staff brought out trolleys of food, which Pete and Roger wheeled outside and down the street to an all-night antiwar vigil. They fed the protesters and stayed talking with them til dawn.

It seems plausible that Kurt Wagner is a good person.

Boulez was more than just a provocateur, also I don't think he mellowed too much, he was still dismissing composers he didn't like as amateurs in his dotage.

― Terry Micawber (Tom D.)

To me that's part and parcel of being a provocateur. But I'm sure Dutilleux would disagree if he were still among us – it is true that Boulez used his institutional leverage to prevent divergent aesthetics from developing. Yet part of me admires his bullheaded commitment to evaluative objectivity, misguided though it may be.

And, speaking of Dutilleux, Boulez's later works have far more in common with his contemporary's than he would have liked to admit, at least to these ears.

it is true that Boulez used his institutional leverage to prevent divergent aesthetics from developing.

So Xenakis claimed. Pierre you were a bad man, you are banished from this page.

MF: For most composers, Boulez is Napoleon, right?

(I respond that not everyone lives under the control of Boulez; there was also Stockhausen.)

MF: So what! Stockhausen is just Bismarck, that’s all!

http://www.musicandliterature.org/features/2015/10/28/away-from-the-big-cities-brmorton-feldman-interviewed-by-jean-yves-bosseur

Second Weird Al and Jeff Tweedy. Adding Bruce Springsteen

I've heard so many great stories about Weird Al that it makes me wish I liked his music more

do we no longer presume a person's decency?

'Someone must have slandered Josef K, for one morning, without having done anything truly wrong, he was arrested.'

I think Morton Feldman probably belongs on the other thread

i think he quite possibly does, yeah

but i like to read him moaning about his enemies list in the same way i enjoy it when Boulez did the same

How so? Genuinely curious, I don't know much about his life.

xp

POV - Morton Feldman Recordings

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the original Italian interview with Marcus is still online, not a lot else

i wd add that there's no reference on her own website, but that means basically nothing

Thanks, sarahell. I had no idea.

Like NV said, there's surprisingly little about this online. Aside from the Italian interview, a few dead links and an article or two.

there's an EU data protection law regarding "the right to be forgotten" which has been invoked in this case to have some links removed, at least from Google. who made the request, why and when isn't clear.