“So far away in time” apparently less than ten years
― calstars, Monday, 20 November 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
Except Led Zep did actually rip off others and lost lawsuts over it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, November 20, 2017 12:37 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Obviously, that's been beaten to death, I'm just talking about corny blues dudes who won't listen to them over it.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 20 November 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
I like how anti-Zep fervor over their borrowing never seems to extend to, say, the Rolling Stones
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
Or Dylan
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive)
Oh yeah those guys suck. Show me the blues bands that have drummers half as good as Bonham and I’ll stop listening to LZ.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
Lol yes, good one
Xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
Also ripping off in Blues is a thin line tbh. LZ got caught over Plant’s stolen lyrics... if the lawsuits were based on Jimmy’s guitar alone it wouldn’t have worked against them half of time.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
fwiw Willie Dixon was famous for stealing songs and copywriting them
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
also I kinda feel like listen to Memphis Minnie When the Levee Breaks and then listen to Zeppelin's, the lyrics are the same and deserves proper credit but no offense to Minnie she didn't come up with that drum beat either
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
Well...that we know of
― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
heh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
ums is otm though. I haven't bothered to go into how historically tangled authorship questions are w blues (and folk, and country, and reggae) traditions but it isn't as straightforward as detractors always make it out to be - that Robert Johnson wrote this, or the Carter Family wrote that, or Joan Baez or whoever. Just because someone copyrighted it doesn't actually mean they were the first to conceive and perform something, it just means they were the first people smart enough to take care of the business end of things. And, oddly, Zep is one of those bands (like Dylan!) that saw themselves as part of the folk/blues tradition where authorship was often inconsequential and everything was understood to be borrowed from or a variation on something else, but they happened to be producing their music in the middle of a highly litigious and almost incomprehensibly lucrative environment, where there were naturally going to be consequences and conflicts. But anyone using their copyright issues as a hammer to beat them with re: their creativity (or lack thereof) has ears of tin imo.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
Memphis Minnie DID get a co-writing credit for this one tbf.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
she played the harmonica part backwards on the track iirc
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
Bill McGill to thread
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
The thing with Zeppelin is that with them, it's not as simple as "they were a blues band/folk band/hard rock band" ... they may not have been a prog rock band in the typical way one thinks when they hear the term, but Zeppelin were a seriously progressive outfit that tied a lot of things together and fused together a lot of things in very creative ways. Yes, they may have lifted things, but their sound was all their own - so many have tried to imitate Zeppelin and get it spectacularly wrong.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
It's also remarkable that John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page were session guys prior to Zeppelin, but I don't get any kind of real "session guy" vibe from any of Zeppelin's stuff. These guys really liked making and playing music and you can tell from the tracks they're totally vibed on what they're doing. Of course, it totally helped that both John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page were so musicianly, but in Zeppelin nothing ever felt "academic", even when they threw in odd time signatures etc.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
they may not have been a prog rock band in the typical way one thinks when they hear the term, but Zeppelin were a seriously progressive outfit that tied a lot of things together and fused together a lot of things in very creative ways.
Iirc, Page did refer to them as a progressive rock band in Light and Shade.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
If Pink Floyd hadn't so clearly demarcated "RULES" as the default answer to all attendant criticisms, I'd just stamp LED ZEPPELIN RULES about 300 times over Moka's recent posts.
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
I listened to Led Zeppelin II amongst a bunch of stuff that came out in the late '60s, and production wise it just wiped the floor with pretty much everything I listened to that day from the same period. Everything else just sounded weedy by comparison.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
remarkable all the more considering the haphazard nature of the recording and the speed at which they put it together.
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Absolutely! Sometimes I wish all quickly recorded albums from the '60s sounded as good as Led Zeppelin II does sonically, but I guess it wouldn't be as special if everyone had figured out how to do it.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Page was brilliant as a producer right from the go.
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
He had some great engineers working on those records who don't get as much credit as perhaps they should - people like Glyn Johns who engineered a lot of great sounding records. Page may have known what he wanted and have been no slouch in the studio, but he didn't achieve those results alone!
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
I should have known that Johns worked on them. Makes perfect sense.
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
You guys should check out pagey’s interview with Jeff koons at the 92 st Y.
― calstars, Monday, 20 November 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
physical graffiti thread got me running through the discography again. prob a controversial challopsy opinion but this record is a quantum leap over the first two
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
More challopsy to prefer the first two I would have thought? (I do, by the way).
― God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
general opinion suggests this one is still kinda underrated somehow
"friends" is so mindblowing
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
“Friends” def in the POX.
― vmajestic, Friday, 13 March 2020 00:03 (four years ago) link
"Bron Yr Aur" didn't make the cut is insane. Some of Page's best picking.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:39 (four years ago) link
This is still the lowest selling of their proper albums?
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link
i'm really fond of the version of "friends" by this flash in the pan prog band around 2000 called azigza, so great
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 01:14 (four years ago) link
yeah, wow that bron yr aur was in a low tier. that's some of the best zep ever
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 13 March 2020 01:16 (four years ago) link
Keep a swinginKeep a coolin
― calstars, Friday, 13 March 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link
Out on the Tiles
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 January 2024 18:49 (four months ago) link
― peace, man, Thursday, 18 January 2024 19:06 (four months ago) link
fuck yes it is
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 18 January 2024 19:43 (four months ago) link
I love this album, it's def the most joyful zep record
"friends" / "celebration day" = "brain damage" / "eclipse"
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2024 20:51 (four months ago) link
If they would have swapped Hats Off to Roy Harper with Hey Hey What Can I Do, this would have been a perfect album for me.
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:06 (four months ago) link
I don't mind 'Hey Hey' not being on it, I don't think it would fit with the mood of the album. It's a perfect b-side tho
― calstars, Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:10 (four months ago) link
one of my favorite zeppelin stories is robert plant is the first person to have smoked up jon anderson
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:13 (four months ago) link
never heard that one!
― calstars, Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:17 (four months ago) link
this is blowing the moral of the story, but here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGyu27tbtpc
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:20 (four months ago) link
Still “that’s the way”, one of their most precious sounding songs.
I kind of wish Bonham would have featured in it, though. Playing bongos or something percussive like tapping on some plastic jug like he did on “ramble on” (not sure if it’s a plastic jug it just kind of sounds like it)…
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 January 2024 21:43 (four months ago) link
Oh apparently it was on an empty guitar case… should’ve googled before posting.
I can do a fair impression on my lap
― calstars, Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:19 (four months ago) link
looking for what you knew
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2024 22:55 (four months ago) link
this record is a quantum leap over the first two
There's something about the production of those records that I mostly can't stand, maybe the reverb Page was using? It really dates them to the worst of 1969. The subsequent records have more atmosphere, room to breathe.
I kind of wish Bonham would have featured in it, though.
He plays the tambourine over the coda, it's brilliant to keep him out of the song till then.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 19 January 2024 22:49 (four months ago) link