Pazz and Jop.

But voting may be a lot earlier than in past years, and for scheduling reasons I may not be involved...

why are the results for past polls impossible to find on the voice's site now?

when I want results I go here:
http://furia.com/pjs/ (Glenn's amazing site)

and here:
https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/

Thanks alpine! I told yall wrong about the date I got last year's ballot: Dec. 13, not Dec. 4. But I'll keep Glenn's xpost heads-up about the speed-up in mind.

If they move it up any more this year, that may well be the end of the road for me. The antiquarian notion that the year actually ends on Dec. 31 used to sync up well with my workaday life. The rush to get year-ends out earlier and earlier is just one more thing that makes no sense to me.

I think it has to do with people ceasing to care about last year once the new year has started.

Maybe--which is actually pretty weird, since the calendar year is such an artificial construct anyway. And it's also almost like giving out sports MVP awards with two weeks left to go in the season.

But I guess I prefer that to the idea that every publication is simply being driven by what every other publication does.

The truth is, I'm just looking at this in terms of my own participation and nothing else.

The antiquarian notion...

Found only in rare and expensive books, I guess--let's go with antiquated instead.

Unless I've been dropped from the list--something that should have happened 15 years ago, and since it didn't happen then, I'm not sure why it would happen now--I assume this is the end of Rico.

I've gotten nothing either.

Knowing nothing about how these things work, I always assumed it'd be the one thing that would remain till the last online edition--that it was one thing they could reasonably expect would generate some ad sales. I really am living in some 1987 time warp.

When it comes to the "media landscape," I mean. Mostly I live in a 1972 time warp.

Glenn, upthread, thought they would start earlier this year, but that hasn't happened.

I bowed out of tabulating, so I no longer have any inside info on when, how or if this is going to happen...

There's talk that it's coming.

Of course, I just realized that earlier this year I deleted the Hotmail account where my ballot used to be sent.

did some searching and found ballot dates for the last 5 years, looks like it kept getting earlier til now

12/27/12
12/11/13
12/10/14
12/4/15
12/2/16

Yeah, as far as I could squint into my ancient and apparently almost bottomless inbox, got the same impression. There have been several years when ballots showed up after Xmas, pretty sure. If nothing by New Year's Day, let's post out lists here, okay?

Otherwise, all that work for nuthin!

glenn - does that mean furia.com/pjs will stop updating w/ 2016? :(

We gotta see if we can find pre-2008 data and have him do previous years

I would donate to a Kickstarter for that

Yeah, as far as I could squint into my ancient and apparently almost bottomless inbox, got the same impression. There have been several years when ballots showed up after Xmas, pretty sure. If nothing by New Year's Day, let's post out lists here, okay?

― dow, Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:01 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ILM's 2017 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / NOMINATIONS THREAD

I'm a sucker for pop-music cannons; I hope Pazz and Jop hasn't died as an institution.

We gotta see if we can find pre-2008 data and have him do previous years

I would donate to a Kickstarter for that

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 18, 2017 5:02 PM (five hours ago)

totes. that site is a tremendous resource. i refer to it at least once a couple times a month, sometimes more.

A lot of info pre-2008 data is available in the Wayback Machine. I would donate to just have someone mine that data to make it useful for furia. Glenn should come up with a dollar amount to make doing that worth his time

would fund

while we're doing this can i also slip my 2011 ballot in there that i sent to VV but they did not count

I'm told the film poll is still happening this year, so I see no reason this wouldn't continue.

End of Net Neutrality, time to dust off the printer and find the big stapler, and look to way the old changing way, brothers and sisters---cue Richard Thompson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRCzvMNIZqg

And come along typos

i've used wayback machine to look thru old p&j data, some years are easier to go thru than others and for a good number of years it is basically impossible to get a full/comprehensive look at all the data (b/c wayback didn't archive some critics' ballots, for example). i would also fund any effort that would successfully reobtain all (or even a good portion of) this data tho!

iirc if you look closely you can also find some tabulation errors that were not caught prior to the published ranking or even fixed on the website's ranking (in the 90s and early 00s especially)

“Some Dude “ is tweeting that Pazz & Jop is dead. Has an official statement been issued by anyone at the Village Voice?

But someone tweeted back on the 20th at him that ballots are going out next week.

Oops, this week.

I'm told Pazz & Jop is happening; ballots going out this week

— Zach Schonfeld (@zzzzaaaacccchhh) December 20, 2017

One like on that Tweet

Ballots sent out this morning. Due 12 noon wed. January 3, 2018

Is anybody else unable to log in? Not sure if I got the wrong ID or what

wonder if the deadline is a typo, it's normally midnight IIRC

Okay, voted. Let's see if I ever receive a confirmation email...

I'm also unable to log in. Looks like some people are getting through. I've emailed the site, but nothing happening so far.

Update. Was finally able to log in thanks to a email reply from the Pazz & Jop people. A new ID number did the trick.

My login isn't working; I've emailed.

ditto

They sent me a new ID number and I voted. Always curious how many albums I'll be the only voter for. I think my record is 6/10.

I just now logged in, no prob, but while I was entering my first single, suddenly got taken to the confirmation of submission page. Went back a page, there was my ballot where I left off, so finished, hit submit, got confirmation again. So sent a query if they got the whole thing, or do I need to re-submit, with new ID? Hope they're still minding the store tonight.

i’m dreading bodak yellow’s win

It's not so much the lionization of a boring "I'm rich/fuck you" song; it's the pretending that it's so much more than that just because it's coming from a Latinx woman.

I love I’m rich fuck you songs it’s just not an especially creative or interesting one