oh ok
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 24 November 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
ok if you don't believe the guy that made Adore idk what to tell you
― flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
I generally take anything Billy Corgan says with a pinch of salt, as does any sensible person.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 24 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
April 1998:
Addicted To Noise: Basically, you pretty much reinvented the Pumpkins sound with your new album, Adore. Tell me about that.Billy Corgan: (laughs) Well.D'Arcy Wretzky: Take a deep breath.James Iha: Take out one drummer. Take out the guitars.Wretzky: Get another drummer.Corgan: That's it. Add some keyboards. Play some lame- ass tunes.Wretzky: (laughs)ATN: What are some of the things that you went through between the completion of Mellon Collie and recording this album that you feel had a strong impact on the songs and the sound of the album?Corgan: Well, Jimmy's departure is the biggest, #1 thing. And then I would say just the general decision to let go of the rock sound, even before Jimmy Chamberlin left the band. So I would say those are the two major things. As far as things that went on in our lives, I think James summed it up a little bit. There's a certain kind of mental pounding that goes on when you're playing arena rock and loud music. There's kind of an almost innate desire to want to move to the other end of the spectrum just to achieve a new feeling. I think we naturally gravitated toward something a little quieter and something a little more textured. Now that we've done that, we're ready to rock again.(laughter)Corgan: Which of course can be amazing, because if this album does really well, then everyone will question our return to rock. (laughs)Iha: I love it! 'Why are you rocking when you made such a nice last record?'Wretzky: 'But you said rock is dead!' Iha: Yeah. 'Why are you going back to rock?'Corgan: Ooh la la.Iha: Why don't we do the interview for the next album? Right now!.
Billy Corgan: (laughs) Well.
D'Arcy Wretzky: Take a deep breath.
James Iha: Take out one drummer. Take out the guitars.
Wretzky: Get another drummer.
Corgan: That's it. Add some keyboards. Play some lame- ass tunes.
Wretzky: (laughs)
ATN: What are some of the things that you went through between the completion of Mellon Collie and recording this album that you feel had a strong impact on the songs and the sound of the album?
Corgan: Well, Jimmy's departure is the biggest, #1 thing. And then I would say just the general decision to let go of the rock sound, even before Jimmy Chamberlin left the band. So I would say those are the two major things. As far as things that went on in our lives, I think James summed it up a little bit. There's a certain kind of mental pounding that goes on when you're playing arena rock and loud music. There's kind of an almost innate desire to want to move to the other end of the spectrum just to achieve a new feeling. I think we naturally gravitated toward something a little quieter and something a little more textured. Now that we've done that, we're ready to rock again.
(laughter)
Corgan: Which of course can be amazing, because if this album does really well, then everyone will question our return to rock. (laughs)
Iha: I love it! 'Why are you rocking when you made such a nice last record?'
Wretzky: 'But you said rock is dead!' Iha: Yeah. 'Why are you going back to rock?'
Corgan: Ooh la la.
Iha: Why don't we do the interview for the next album? Right now!.
http://www.starla.org/articles/growup.htm
― flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
bless D'Arcy and James
― Simon H., Friday, 24 November 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
i can't count the number of times i've been in what started as an actual conversation, but gradually morphed into the other person yelling at an imaginary person but actually just staring and yelling at me in real life, as if i held the opinions of the imaginary person.
― Karl Malone, Friday, November 24, 2017 9:34 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my dad does this to me all the time, it's funny because he always punctuates it with this bug eyed stare at the end like "REALLY, I'M NOT KIDDING", as if he's not totally preaching to the choir
― brimstead, Friday, 24 November 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I love Tonight Tonight but that bald chap who appears to be a complete crank (in a bad way) has the worst 'singing' voice this side of Kelly Jones.
― Custard Cream, Friday, 24 November 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
"Well, Jimmy's departure is the biggest, #1 thing. And then I would say just the general decision to let go of the rock sound, even before Jimmy Chamberlin left the band."
So Jimmy's departure wasn't the #1 thing, then - they already had a direction in mind.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 24 November 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
:/
― Simon H., Friday, 24 November 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
my all time favorite james interview moment, from this july 99 web chat:
<g60girl> what kind of cars do you guys drive?<James> I have a Volvo.<lunatriste> Whats the new album going to be called?<James> I have a Volvo.
― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
lmao love james and d’arcy
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 24 November 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
jimmy is also pretty hilarious in the zwan doc
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 24 November 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
Have any of you ever seen Vieuphoria?
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 November 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
vieuphoria rules
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 November 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
Honestly, the Frogs interlude is my favorite part
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 November 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsL-5YjD9Pw
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 November 2017 01:53 (six years ago) link
pulseczar rulesfrench movie theme rules
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link
vieuphoria kicked off a series of events that ended with me singing "Grandma in the corner with a penis in her hand going no no no no no" in my head on a fairly regular basis for several years
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:04 (six years ago) link
i love vieuphoria though parts of it are ponderous
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
though when i was a kid the dvd release of vieuphoria was like a major event in my life, a real holy grail moment lol
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link
1994 amirite
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:20 (six years ago) link
(this vhs tape was part of my Christmas present that year, I think?)
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link
i never owned it but my friend had the VHS in high school and we'd watch it all the time after school
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
the thing i remember watching that really got me hooked was a "videography" show on MTV where billy/james/d'arcy ran through and talked about all the videos up through melon collie.
― brimstead, Saturday, 25 November 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
this Apathy Video channel keeps delivering. after a 2 week break, they're back with some more gold. afaik the full tape of this show has never circulated, and the quality is much better than the only clip of it I've ever seen (Fuck You).
this show has always confounded me. they get a 40 minute set at a benefit show, play 3 singles in a row, then Fuck You... then a 20 minute Silverfuck. the swagger and gall of the Pumpkins at their peak right before the OD in New York is just stunning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u589RhkuJN0
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
As the original poster says, the reason it gets put down is because of Corgan's unwillingness to make an album for adults. If I had been 25 when this came out I'd probably have hated it - the bawling vocal, the post-grunge/proto-emo "you don't understand me OR MY MUSIC" white middle class ethic; the Queen/Prog-inspired pomp and circumstance. It's enough to make a man sick.
But to a 15 year old kid, this tastes like candy-apples. It is a decade old album, and in the same way that at the time we laughed at the Human League, the Smiths and Big Daddy Kane, so to do we about this in 2006. This is why it'll be critically re-evaluated in another ten years and top many a best-of list.
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:54 AM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
Dog Latin was wrong - this album has never went away. It's been in "best albums you must hear before you croak" type of lists since ever.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Saturday, 16 December 2017 09:08 (six years ago) link
flappy thanks for that video. hadn't heard this since i was there27:15>29:50 wowowow
― alomar lines, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
ah awesome! that must've been a crazy show, lineup was stacked
― flappy bird, Monday, 18 December 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
i seriously can't imagine the life of the person who only likes the quiet smashing pumpkins songs. they probably put salt in their coffee and live in a tent in a tree
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:52 AM bookmarkflaglink
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 3 November 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link
i can play "here is no why" on the drums now :D
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
of course, next to "1979" that is probably the simplest non-synthetic drum part on this record
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
Tribute cover version of the full album next
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
the hi-hat accents on "1979" seem like they'd be tricky to pull off!
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
oh i guess it's the drum machine that does those:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuOFL_XU7jc
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
^^
and even then, hard to pull off with the same feel (drum-machine assist in the original I guess)
according to leading randos, Chamberlain didn't bother trying to do the hi-hat accents live, either
xp
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
i tried to drum along to "geek usa" yesterday too and it was hilarious. chamberlin is a tank
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
Nah JC is playing along with the drum machine on 1979, I can't listen to confirm but iirc the hi hat accent only comes in after the first stanza?
Here is No Why is so much fun to play, Brad
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
these are things i already implicitly knew but there's an extra reality to it when i'm trying to make my idiot arms and legs do anything he does, especially at that speed
i can play "rhinoceros" too, primarily because it's slow. it's also a blast xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
what about To Forgive? that's a great drum part
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
iirc the hi hat accent only comes in after the first stanza
yep
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
SP has like 10000000 great drum parts
hearing what JC can do with just a lil trap kit in the first sets of the pajama shows is so valuable. I think they played To Forgive in that set? or no, they alternated.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:16 AM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
i played along with it yesterday too but i'm pretty sure i severely bowdlerized it, gonna have to study further
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
i'm honestly proud of myself for even being able to suss out how he's playing what he's playing without drum cover videos, when i first started drumming jimmy's playing made absolutely no sense to me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
one of several SP songs I can't even passably air drum
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
when i hear drum rolls, i know i'm either about to cherub rock or watch pocahontas on disney+
― a morley steve vai bad horsie what? (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
those snare rolls during the second and third choruses of Here is No Why >>>>
great use of the Ab octave pumpkin chord in that part!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
that song kicks so much ass
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
I haven't drummed in forever but I would love to attempt drumming 'Muzzle'. At least that first bit. I assume the logistics are a little something like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV5JOQyUYNg
― Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link