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― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
fred i think you're missing some variant capitalization possibilities in that list. but we should take this to one of the many Stereo SWBO 101 threads.
― 'cause there's always been an it i can't truss (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 December 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
if it had no cover, then that would have been the stupidest idea and would have led to a lot of the records being scratched in transit before they'd even reached the shops
https://www.popsike.com/pix/20090821/260465780537.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 December 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
I'll bet that sold about 10 copies to a closet full of people in New York.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
Well obviously "Help!" is great as it is but I can't help thinking an alt. slowed down version would have been stronger and maybe less dated. It would have suited better Lennon's plaintive and raspy voice, imo.The actual version is a bit too fast and the arrangements too cheerful for the song.That said the version I imagine would have been anachronistic at the time it was done.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
Anyway, to steer the conversation away once more from The Beatles' self-titled (and patchy) double album from 1968, and back to what we were originally talking about (how good the early Beatles were) [...]compare 'Please Please Me' to the laboured "fun" of 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da' and it really isn't a contest.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), 4. december 2017 15:46 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
Eight Days a Week"Lennon's vocals on that one are so good (especially the "oh ohohohh" before one of the choruses) !Sometimes I wish they had recorded a slower version of "Help!", without the rocknroll arrangements, like Lennon wanted it to be, as he expressed later on....― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, December 4, 2017 12:12 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Uh it's clearly an ohohohuhwoah uh shocking ignoramus *preens*
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
Actually 'Ste-Re-O, S-W-Bo' was the original name for 'Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da', back when it was more clearly a song about two employees at Apple Corps who were having marital troubles, but after rather horrific later developments in their relationship, the band changed the lyrics to the song, but then kept the chorus as the title of the album.
― Frederik B, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
Well obviously "Help!" is great as it is but I can't help thinking an alt. slowed down version would have been stronger and maybe less dated. It would have suited better Lennon's plaintive and raspy voice, imo.The actual version is a bit too fast and the arrangements too cheerful for the song.That said the version I imagine would have been anachronistic at the time it was done.― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, December 4, 2017 3:00 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, December 4, 2017 3:00 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The great thing about tracks like 'Help!' is the combination of upbeat music vs. downbeat lyric, in the sense that it pulls you in immediately with its opening bars and carries you away with its brisk tempo, but upon listening closely to the lyric it opens the song up further.
We've been through this before, but the term "dated" isn't a pejorative - everything is dated and nothing is timeless, and that includes The Beatles. While people continue to enjoy this music, none of it sounds like it was recorded in 2017, and there is nothing at all wrong with that.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
I've gotta say, I'm amused by Frederik's and Doctor Casino's attempts to derail the discussion.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Well, "dated" might not be the appropriate word. It's purely subjective and only related to my preferences when it comes to their output. Of course their post 65 stuff is dated too. It's just that I prefer the "dated" post 65 to the "dated" pre65 !As for "Help!", yes, the contrast is interesting (and Paul's vocal arrangements are great). But again, personally, I imagine I would have preferred a slower version. Since it doesn't exist, there's not much to discuss anyway !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
I could imagine the solo Lennon circa 1971-1972 having a go at a slowed down version of 'Help!', but I get the impression that even though he's on record as saying he was dissatisfied with the way The Beatles did some of his songs, he was always keen to move onto the next thing and wasn't one for revisiting things - apart from the rock'n'roll stuff that he was into in the late '50s.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
"Shyness is nice, and, shyness can stop you, from saying all the things in life you'd like to"
― Mark G, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
~Sorry, wrong record.
i am amused by turrican thinking that lecturing to oneself for the millionth time about how nobody appreciates the early beatles constitutes a "discussion"
― 'cause there's always been an it i can't truss (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
^ I rest my case.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link
This is a new low
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
Smells like ass in here
― Karl Malone, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
There, beat that low
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― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
There's a short recording of "Help!" with Lennon fooling around on the piano (I think it's from 1970 or something).The problem is it's a total mess (chords, words, you name it !).
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.popsike.com/pix/20131014/390679120555.jpg
― Mark G, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
One thing about Help! that's always got me thinking is that they included 'Act Naturally' as a replacement for 'If You've Got Trouble', but they had 'Wait' around at the time which would have been a better choice. While not one of their finest, it's a lot better than Harrison's songs on Help! and stuff like 'Tell Me What You See' ... I'm curious as to why they initially shelved it, and even more curious to know what led to it appearing on Rubber Soul - they didn't really ressurrect aborted stuff like that often.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
The contrast on A Hard Day’s Night between John’s lewd, modulating melody and Paul’s keening bridge that keeps climbing and building tension is one of my favourite early Beatles moments.
For covers, this one’s great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1YKfu5sD24
― dinnerboat, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
Well, "I Need You" is a minor Beatles work but it might be my favourite Harrison song.That said I'm not a big fan of his stuff in the Beatles. All Things Must Pass is great though and is all I need to hear from him.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Ah I remenber an alt. version of "A Hard Day's Night" (no idea where it came from) which was basically the same but a bit slower and with a fat bass and less "clean" vocals (actually, one of the things I prefer in their post 65 stuff is that the production on the vocals is less "clean", with more effects etc).it was great !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 December 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
Haven't we learned by now that there's no low Turrican can't manage to squirm under.
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
I like "Wait" for the line ".. and I've been good, as good as I can be.." which means not very good at all.
― Mark G, Monday, 4 December 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
i thought this revive wd be about the touring doc that just was on PBS
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Don't know what you're talking about - me and AlXTC from Paris are having a discussion about the early Beatles and others are attempting to derail the thread because they don't like an album being called by its actual title. Funnily enough, these people are doing the exact same thing they (wrongly) got all huffy about on other threads. ILM logic in action right there.
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― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
Grow up ffs.
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
I like "Wait" for the line ".. and I've been good, as good as I can be.." which means not very good at all.― Mark G, Monday, December 4, 2017 4:12 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mark G, Monday, December 4, 2017 4:12 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I like the volume swells/"violining" effect on the guitar - I know this also appears on Harrison's 'I Need You', but it seems to work better on 'Wait' ...
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
this one deserves posting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5yMKIlwTd0
― Darin, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
jeff beck covered "she's a woman" on blow by blow
― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
you've gotta put Jimi Hendrix's live cover of "sgt peppers" on there, rushomancy
― brimstead, Monday, 4 December 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
"Act Naturally" is one of my favorite Beatle covers. Love the guitar on it, great backing vocals by PM, and it's just a really good song.
― timellison, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:47 (six years ago) link
I utterly despise every single thing about it. Loathe it.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
Buck Owens rules.
― timellison, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
yup
― Οὖτις, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
what is turrican calling the beatles' drummer "ringo" for, his name is richard starkey. it actually says so on his birth certificate. you can call him ringo if you want, but you'd be wrong. it's the actual name vs. the mythology.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
all experience sensed and thus dated, which means nothing is dated.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
I think the point about the word is that it's always used as a pejorative, but buying into that implies buying into the idea that sounds or styles are placed irrevocably in time. That music moves ahead in a linear manner.
For me, "Help" is so special now precisely because it does seem to have a lost art quality to it. And I think that is in what some here and elsewhere refer to as the contradiction between its energy and its theme. I don't believe there's any contradiction there. I've never interpreted "Help" as being "upbeat." How can you?
― timellison, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:44 (six years ago) link
Is "Like a Rolling Stone" "upbeat?"
― timellison, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:45 (six years ago) link
Kind of like the Nilsson track, this another one everyone should be familiar with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_smoNNCFbY
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
Please everybody if we haven't done what we could have done we've tried... this was the b-side...
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 01:23 (six years ago) link
... no it isn't, here it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xxXN9qAQI
― brimstead
it's got spunk, but i'm not sure i rate it any higher than, say, tomorrow's version of "strawberry fields forever".
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
having said that i do like the "christmas on earth continued" version a lot more than the "stages" version i was familiar with, i'll tentatively slot that one in!
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
Tomorrow's "Strawberry Fields Forever" is outstanding.
― timellison, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 02:20 (six years ago) link
Hm, can’t remember hearing that one.
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link