these don't really count but they dropped extremely negative reviews on Andrew W.K. and Mumford & Sons pre-breakout.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
Taylor Swift
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
iirc maybe the first review of Discovery by Daft Punk was a lot lower than what i'm seeing now?
Future Islands and early Ariel Pink
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
Future Islands was neglect, and Ariel Pink's lo-fi records were all trashed. over the top praise for Before Today and making "Round and Round" song of the year in 2010 was a panicked atonement when they saw how many of those fucking chillwave bands that came and went cited him as their primary influence.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:21 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is true, but i think they atoned fairly quickly and put the record in the top 25 or so of their half-decade '00s list iirc
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
Daft Punk preceded p4k, I saw the "One More Time" video on MTV programmed between Gorillaz and System of a Down. we're talking about bands that emerged after p4k had become the tastemakers. '04-'09 is a spot on window.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
That entire circuit of indie rock/Bonnaroo festival bands like Airborne Toxic Event, Silversun Pickups, Cage the Elephant, Cold War Kids did remarkably well w/o Pitchfork's help and sometimes with their direct antagonizing
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
it's still the same review tho. A Schrieber classic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2134-discovery/
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
xp those are great examples.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
add Minus the Bear and maybe Dr. Dog to that list
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Animal Collective, Dan Deacon, Grizzly Bear, etc. all would have had big indie success without a p4k. maybe not as big but "p4k made these bands" is as silly as saying Rolling Stone magazine made Bruce Springsteen
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
menomena
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
Grimes? idk... p4k really only had a monopoly on taste in the mid/late 00s. LCD is spot on, I was gonna say Interpol too but like The Strokes they had that last gasp of support from MTV & radio. Same goes for Kanye.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:37 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are people seriously suggesting that Pitchfork somehow had anything to do w/ "breaking" Kanye West??
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Different demos though? These bands exist in their own universe that's almost as distinct as those of AP magazine.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
if you really want to split hairs between the mid-Aughts cool "i'm white and i'm online all the time and go to oberlin/pratt" indie rock vs. the mid-Aughts uncool "i'm white and upwardly mobile and go to a state school and/or live in California" indie rock, be my guest
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
huh i thought airborne toxic event was like guitar hero metal or something
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
can we collapse all of that into mtvu-core or whatever
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
or like those bands all named Bad City Chain Gang who opened for Velvet Revolver or Black Label Society
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:43 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you bet your ass i wanna split that hair
― flopson, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
Just saying that it's probably the reason p4k doesn't necessarily have any affect on the success of those bands you've listed.
xps
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
The difference between those bands and My Morning Jacket and p4k indie bands are pretty fucking minor, the only difference being that they're not immediately embraced by backseat lefsetz office warriors who think the NARRATIVE and THE CONVERSATION have any bearing on an objective financial reality.
There's also like Black Angels/Thee Oh Sees style psych bands that did/fine without P4k too
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
I mean, yes, if you narrow the pool of music listeners to a specific marketing demo of people that followed Grantland on Twitter and Tweet about how Ladybird made them cry and yearn to taste Cronut then, yes, Pitchfork is everything, slay kings
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
what if i yearn for cronut but i've also see Tool live? do they cancel each other out?
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9244-we-are-the-pipettes/
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
tbh i yearn for cronut
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
I mean, there is a distinct difference between bands popular on alt rock radio vs bands that hit it big on AAA.
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
Is it splitting hairs to differentiate, say, Smashing Pumpkins and the Counting Crowd?
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
Counting Crows, stupid iPhone
Who is the Counting Crows of being Dan Deacon?
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Mister Jobs aaand me
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
I mean, yes, if you narrow the pool of music listeners to a specific marketing demo of people that followed Grantland on Twitter and Tweet about how Ladybird made them cry and yearn to taste Cronut then, yes, Pitchfork is everything, slay kings― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean, this isn't really right either ^
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
The difference between those bands and My Morning Jacket and p4k indie bands are pretty fucking minor, the only difference being that they're not immediately embraced by backseat lefsetz office warriors who think the NARRATIVE and THE CONVERSATION have any bearing on an objective financial reality.There's also like Black Angels/Thee Oh Sees style psych bands that did/fine without P4k too― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:01 PM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI mean, yes, if you narrow the pool of music listeners to a specific marketing demo of people that followed Grantland on Twitter and Tweet about how Ladybird made them cry and yearn to taste Cronut then, yes, Pitchfork is everything, slay kings― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:03 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:01 PM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:03 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a correct argument against the claim, made by no one ever, that p4k was omnipotent over all rock music
― flopson, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
it seems silly to deny that they once had serious gatekeeping/tastemaking power that has significantly declined in the recent past
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
bullshit if anyone steps to me with some 7.6 bullshit i'm like get that garbage outta here son i only fucks with BNMs
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
re: Kanye, no, p4k had nothing to do with his success, if anything the perfect 10 for twisted fantasy was overcompensation, as good as that record is.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
They gave him very good reviews before. You know, perhaps they just thought it was an incredible album?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
actually yea you're right, I forgot about that. Late Registration was very high on their 2005 list
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/justin-timberlake-supplies/
savagely negative pitchfork reviews aren't dead, they're just thriving in the track reviews section
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 18 January 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
best new music used to result in five figure soundscan bumps.
― maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 05:53 (six years ago) link
From personal experience my old band played a local college radio show on the bill with Tapes n' Tapes the week this came out
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8314-the-loon/
remember talking to the drummer and they were pretty blown away that it happened
anyway they didn't really draw that many people that night, it was okay attended (andrew broder of fog actually headlined), but anyway their NEXT gig was suddenly opening for Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, later that summer we took over their opening gig for Futureheads they cancelled because they went to play Pitchfork Fest.
Like honestly they could maybe draw 100 people in Mpls to a small club on a good night before that review and after that they were everywhere for a while
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
yeah, I interviewed quite a few bnm'd bands in that period and many had similar experiences
― niels, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
anyone remember Thunderbirds Are Now! ? don't think they got BNM'd but they did play the first p4k fest when it was called Intonation, released an awesome album in 2005 called Justamustache, and then another in 2006, and then went quiet until last year when they put out a final single. they seemed burned by over enthusiastic press early on that quickly left them.... such a great band
― flappy bird, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
yeah i remember that name but i don't know if i checked them outman there were so many bands
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
i checked out CLEARLAKE because of the BNM imprimatur. i liked that album. but eventually sold it. same with the Futureheads.
― omar little, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
man there were so many bands
otm
― flopson, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
so weird
― brimstead, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
High Places... Tickley Feather... EAR PWR... Yeasayer...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
aren't there more bands now?
or are you all saying "there were so many now-forgotten p4k bands"
― alpine static, Saturday, 20 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
yea
― flappy bird, Saturday, 20 January 2018 02:00 (six years ago) link