Yeah, I was going to suggest that one but then everyone said Peter and the Wolf and I thought that might be more interesting. For a combination of traditional and more modern instruments, you could mix things up with Tubular Bells, maybe?
For timbre, I usually either play both guitar and piano recordings of Albeniz's Leyenda for comparison or else I play the "Purple Haze" solo with a totally clean tone (when it sounds a bit like a modal jazz solo) and then play with distortion (and maybe an octave splitter, although that's technically cheating).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
wait you play it on the guitar for them? lucky them! i am fighting off waves of imposter syndrome this week but i don't really have time to indulge bad feelings, just gotta do the best i can with what i havemy students seem mildly disappointed that i don't play a prettier instrument (the last person who taught this class was a violin player)
oh well!
Tubular Bells is a good idea, I'll add it to the playlist.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link
Some examples I've used in pop history classes:
For metres: I often use the Be Good Tanyas' version of "Oh Susanna" for 4/4 (because this leads into a discussion of Stephen Foster) but you could use lots of things. 3/4: Gene Autry's "Home on the Range". 6/8: Nat King Cole's "Bicycle Built for Two". 2/4: "Stars and Stripes Forever"
Textures: "The Fiddle and the Drum" or "Mercedes Benz" for monophony; "Good Vibrations" for both homophony and polyphony (after showing the two things individually with e.g. "Both Sides Now" and the Little Fugue in Gm)
Wide-ranging vs narrow-ranging melody: "Blue" vs "Hello I Love You" (keeping a Joni theme seemed to work)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
wait you play it on the guitar for them? lucky them!
Yeah, increasingly, I just demonstrate things this way. Also, in my current classes, which have a mix of advanced majors and people with no musical background, I break down melody, harmony, rhythm, etc by playing mvt 1 of Mozart's K. 545; having them go at it cold, describing as well as they can in small groups; and then breaking down all the terms when they discuss as a whole class. Lets the music students take the lead a bit and feel like they get to do some aural analysis while non-majors get everything broken down for them (and are sometimes surprised by how much they can get).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
Also "Norwegian Wood" or "House of the Rising Sun" for 6/8
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
Also fuck pretty imo
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
It's a massive cliche but guess I originally learned this stuff from Peter & The Wolf / Young Person's Guide To The Orchestra
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
thank you sund4r -- this helps a lot. teaching this class for the first time was fueled by powerful excitement at first and now that i am in the middle of it, i realize i need a little more help. you sound like an excellent teacher and i salute you <3
i'm going to add some of those to the week 2 playlist. my students were pleased and relieved that all the songs on the playlist had been chosen specifically for them (thanks thread contributors!!) to illustrate the elements they learned about in class today. i brought my floor tom, maracas, claves, and a small synth/amp and did some demonstrating but nothing impressive.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
Ha, thanks. I wish my students were always so positive about my teaching.:P Parts of Zep's version of "You Shook Me" can work for heterophony.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
Sounds like you're doing great btw
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
i am doing my best, it's all i can dothank you :)
next week we are going to start working on the first project -- which I think will be folk ballads! i figured it would be a good place to start since 1) I love them and know a lot about them 2) simple/clear instrumentation most of the time 3) everyone loves a story 4) they love romantic/love songs. they made me listen to Luis Miguel last night.
so start thinking about folk ballads -- esp ones that don't fall into the US/UK tradition (those are the ones I know the most about) are corridos folk ballads? they do not like corridos, unfortunately, but iirc it's because they're violent. understandable.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
Take Five is useful in the meter demo. And good old Mars Bringer of War which will already feel familiar to them because of every film score of the past 40 years.
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
xp - i guess they would have to be in English or Spanish or have a translation of the lyrics
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
I generally don't get into asymmetrical metres unless it's in e.g. a 20th century theory class, really. If we're going to talk about progressive rock, I will go over the 7/4 in Pink Floyd's "Money" but I would never expect gen ed students to be able to pick out 5 or 7 by ear in a piece of music, which I do hope they can do with 4 and 3.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link
tbh trained musicians have trouble figuring out what time signature some songs are "supposed" to be in, so students getting it close is a feat
― mh, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link
yeah not going there
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
*cries in 11/7*
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
A couple of interesting (to me) non-Anglo folk ballads with lyrics that should be fairly googleable:
Imam Alimsultanov - Gunib: very simple (probably three chords) and emotive epic folk ballad in the Chechen / Dagestani tradition about the last stand of Imam Shamil vs the Imperial Russian army in 1859. There are numerous versions but Imam Alimsultanov's is a classic and easy to find. It builds up a huge amount of momentum just through the growing intensity of his voice.
Nooran Sisters - Dama Dam Mast Kalandar: 13th century poem that morphed into a qawwali classic. There are a million and one interpretations but the live version by the Nooran Sisters at folk festival in Bangladesh (on Youtube) is extraordinary.
Pelageya - Ptashechka: Kind of an updated / modernised version of a Russian folk standard. A few of the Youtube versions have subtitles.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
a few options for 'folk music' that i'd recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XJjBUL2BvIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhmswVLKdghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2JgmWWYr1Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xOxHyTP91c
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
I liked the bit in Byrne's book about the relationship between the space (basilica, opera house, CBGB's) and the music made there. For example, a cathedral accepts long delays because the reflected sound will still be consonant with the sound you're making. The concrete block walls and sharp angles of a NY club lent itself well to the trebly guitar and nervy feel of early Heads, etc.
It's a version of a TED talk that is probably pretty easy to find (can't right now, but it should be around somewhere; I think I saw it on Netflix).
Going back a ways I think it would be sufficient for survey-level students to draw a distinction between small-c classical and big-C Classical.
Small-c "classical music" is a broad and imprecise general catchall term. Most people associate with concert halls and violins and stuffy rich people wearing tuxes and such. Of course, as you become educated in music appreciation, you will grow to understand that it actually includes like a thousand years of very different styles of serious Western art music, and usually ropes in opera and chant and also experimental art music. "The classical music station" on the radio will also play Baroque music, for example. A lot of the time it means "not rock, pop, or jazz," so is easier to define in terms of what it isn't. It's sloppy, sure, but is still a common term and if you don't address it as such you will be doing your students a disservice.
You can (and probably should) tell people that there is also a thing called "Classical" with a specific meaning, and it refers to a type of Western art music made in the 18th/19th centuries. A student of music appreciation will become able to tell the difference between what Mozart sounds like and what, say, Copland sounds like. They might both get called small-c "classical" but only one is big-c Classical. And of course there is also Persian classical music and Indian classical music and and and.
This may be wrong or unhelpful but I think that's how it was explained to me. There's a similar distinction between romantic (pertaining to romance) vs. Romantic (pertaining to a specific tendency in 19th century arts to focus on strong emotions at the expense of ordered patterns, yadda yadda).
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
The concrete block walls and sharp angles of a NY club lent itself well to the trebly guitar and nervy feel of early Heads, etc.talked about this last night wrt basements and DIY spaces/showsshowed them some fancy interior shots of the sydney opera house to contrast
all that other stuff is already under control, i have a textbook
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
oh! also last night we all fell in love with the sound of the celesta -- any recs for celesta music on youtube?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
this is the video we watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOKZPyHBmbU
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy?
Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta, 3rd movement, (spectral, creepy celesta - see especially at 2'50" and 3'55") - this movement good generally for talking about different orchestral instruments and the different types of sounds they can make
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
It had its breakthrough w/Tchaikovsky in the nutcracker Bartok “music for strings percussion and celesta” cast the mold for creepy celesting Danny elfman used the shit out of it in most of his best known stuff esp Edward scissorhands iirc
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
Pre emptive xpost
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
mind meld! :)
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
McCoy tyner plays it (and harpsichord) on some of the tracks on Trident
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
Also I think monk plays one on brilliant corners???
If you're getting to it when you cover modern music, my students enjoyed this video of Stephen Drury breaking down and demonstrating how he prepares the piano for Cage's Sonatas and Interludes/
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
thanks -- these look good. i was trying to avoid sugar plum fairies because we talked about that last night but it's a logical choicethey said it sounded like fairy tale musicone student said it reminded her of a song from final fantasy (iirc)
oh! also i told them about 4'33" and told them they were free to use it as a joke in the future :) it was when we were talking about performance spaces and the different sounds they make.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
Btw I also love celesta, definitely top 5 orchestral seats for me(Viola, horn, flute, oboe, celesta for those keeping score)
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
i just realized the i saw the bulgarian women's choir upthread perform last year. or whatever incarnation of them exists these days. on the way there some lady plowed her car into my car and if their music hadn't been so beautiful i might have freaked out about that but instead i just drove my jacked up car to the show and tried to relax. lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
tonight's class is intro to folk/traditional music: folk balladsi am going to define them contextually/historically, musically, and thematically (for emotional impact) and then we are going to examine some examplesafter that, they will explore the lomax archives and our youtube playlist for a song to research themselves, and the presentations will be next week (short, structured, practicing research skills) kind of can't believe i am going to have a captive audience for this + it is my jobhttp://www.culturalequity.org/lomaxgeo/ <-- look at this map!
since it's my first time teaching this course, i know i will only improve the course with time and trial/error. i am hoping they are not bored to tears by this, but i have encountered that reaction before when trying to share my enthusiasm for folk ballads...we'll see! i feel realistic about my expectations. even if they don't like it, they will learn something :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
also homework for this week was to listen to and write about the songs on last week's playlist with attention to the elements of music, which we discussed (and demonstrated) in class. (i didn't blow anyone's mind with my drumming, but people don't appreciate how much work goes into being able to play a particular pattern in the same way they appreciate a soaring melody or whatever. it's ok) i am looking forward to reading their descriptions a lot!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
mention silences/pauses as an element of music IMO
it's interesting that corridos are too related to crime for comfort but olde folk ballads are not. Long time ago criminal acts vs right now criminal acts.
Loving where u are going with this LL
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
we talked about corridos last night and how they are essentially modern crime ballads! i think they had a new appreciation for them after we discussed the nature/purpose of folk ballads. they were super interested in the connection between the Lomax archive and Shirley Collinsi brought in my Sounds of the South box set and showed them the tiny little spot at the very end of the booklet where she was thanked/acknowledged.
i have a new favorite student though -- their homework was to write about songs on the week 2 playlist using vocabulary, but one of my students went back to the Is this music? playlist and chose a Steve Lacy track that is pretty far out and 1) she did not say she hated it 2) she did not say it sounded crazy 3) the thing she noticed most about it is how some instruments came through one ear and others came through the other. observant! tolerant! i let her borrow one of my CDs from the box set for her project next week :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vvW8ZdLjGs&list=PLdfn7UDTewpCtuEx3FhjZ1-lU5T4Z2lTF&index=3
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
wish i could take this class!
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
yeah, it looks fun!
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 8 February 2018 03:55 (six years ago) link
it is so much fun. i described it yesterday as "every week it is [part of] my job to talk about music for 3 hours with a group of people who listens to me" i made some progress securing a performance space for an end-of-semester performance of some kind -- idk what exactly it's going to be, but we would have a room and a piano. surely we can make something happen. i just have to persuade the administration that it's not going to bring in hordes of people who will need parking spots.
if there's one thing i can assure them, it's that in Chicago there are unlikely to be hordes of people who show up for a musical performance at a random location on a Tuesday night. even with significant promotion, you'd be lucky to get 10 people to show up. and those 10 people are not going to be arriving in separate cars.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
I learned something last night about the one and only Richard Clayderman -- his song "Ballade pour Adeline" is a ubiquitous tune used at quinceañeras & graduations in Mexico (acc to my students, who were all certain about its ubiquity in their experience)
https://streamd.hitparade.ch/cdimages/richard_clayderman-ballade_pour_adeline_s_6.jpghttps://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/466/MI0002466371.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
lest you think for a millisecond i was trying to encourage them to appreciate the music of richard clayderman, i was notif you did think this for a millisecond, please go back in time and give me some credit :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:35 (six years ago) link
That is an extremely frilly shirt.
― I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
I did not know Richard Clayderman was listened to outside of impulse purchases driven by infomercials! His wikipedia discography has a length and a repetitiveness that would impress Mark E Smith, especially the title Null Piano Moods. Zodiacal Symphony and Love the Aboriginal's also intrigue.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
i actually kinda dig the look in the first pic! i enjoy the audacity of a frilly shirt his music...not as much, in spite of its shocking abundance
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
Shaun Cassidy ‘73 meets Ray Davies ‘66. He’s got it going on.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 01:40 (six years ago) link
He looks wicked baked in the first pic
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
otm
― vicious almond beliefs (crüt), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
i want to take this class!
― marcos, Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
my next task is to talk about 1) the roots of jazz and 2) the evolution and influence of jazz (idk how far i will make it before the midterm) in preparation for a class outing in 3 weeks to the legendary green mill!
currently accepting recommendations for the early roots of jazz lesson :) :) :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link