you should tell him to read this thread
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ask him how his working relationship with los da maestro is different than it with tricky and if he thinks los doesn't get enough credit for his songs
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
lex plz do both of these things
― man see united (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 05:35 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Yeah, I even came around to "Mama", which I had deleted at one point.
― autogoon crew for coldplay (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 05:36 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, i was talking to j0rdan earlier about a justified/lh -> fsls/lvm parallel
― Banvil! The Story of Banvil (Tape Store), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 05:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Except that L/H is much more consistent than Justified I think - basically Justin has never done an album that consistent.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 06:09 (fifteen years ago) link
in what sense does LVM not work as a concept album for you, tim?
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 06:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, sure, it works as a concept album in the same way that L/H and almost every R Kelly album ever does.
But my point was less "hey this isn't a concept album" and more that when I'm listening to "Fancy" droop down into "Right Side Of My Brain" I can easily forget that the whole album isn't conceived on quite that grand and melodramatic a scale.
I mean, I like "Sweat It Out" heaps, but it's working in an entirely different register.
Actually the album is kinda like Donna Summer's Once Upon A Time in reverse.
(this would apply for "Mr Yeah" too if not for the awesome little coda)
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 07:56 (fifteen years ago) link
"Fancy" droop down into "Right Side Of My Brain" I can easily forget that the whole album isn't conceived on quite that grand and melodramatic a scale.
i agree with tim here - in many ways i want to say that l/h isn't better than lvm because it doesn't have something quite like the "love vs money" -> "right side of my brain" stretch, and yet i also want to say that lvm doesn't stand up to his debut because the rest of the album isnt as good as that stretch. to me it's like, there are all these incredible songs floating in orbit around the more incredible concept suite, and it gives me this weird dissonance and it kind of pisses me off tbh because i can't decide whether it's okay that the rest of the album is only an "A" compared to the "A+" 'concept stretch'. obviously lvm is far and away my #1 of the year but when comparing it to l/h i have a hard time taking a stand. i need some time but if i had to use the left side of my brain (forgive me, i'm drunk) i would probably say that l/h is still better. but then again it's like trying to compare everything to a masterpiece so who even knows, it's not really fair. i love them both and A T L A NT A G A is where i stay imo.
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 08:51 (fifteen years ago) link
well for me the "concept stretch" of LVM is 'love vs money' right thru to the end, so that's half the album there, and it works as in album of two halves: first half of what you'd expect done brilliantly, then it suddenly lurches into the really high-flown shit. obv got loads of love for L/H but there's no question in my mind that LVM is superior, both as an "album" and a collection of tracks.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 11:12 (fifteen years ago) link
"ilxor" wrong? shocking!― autogoon crew for coldplay (The Reverend)
― autogoon crew for coldplay (The Reverend)
:'(
B-b-b-but lex agrees with me!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
... are you guys gonna tell him or shall i?
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i agree with tim here - in many ways i want to say that l/h isn't better than lvm because it doesn't have something quite like the "love vs money" -> "right side of my brain" stretch, and yet i also want to say that lvm doesn't stand up to his debut because the rest of the album isnt as good as that stretch. to me it's like, there are all these incredible songs floating in orbit around the more incredible concept suite, and it gives me this weird dissonance and it kind of pisses me off
otm. My attention drifts at midpoint, and those spongy synths on "Walking On The Moon" really annoy me (Kanye draws me back in, just barely). I love the first album, but forcing The-Dream to use their "hey!"s and unexpected harmonies over the course of a purported concept album exposed their weaknesses in a way that the weak tracks on L/H didn't.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link
As someone who finally came around to L/H after listening to LVM more, I think that LVM works more as a concept album if you don't already know The-Dream pretty well from his first album. It concisely sums up who the guy is so that the song suite actually means something in the context of the album. It's not as important that dude's got feeeeeeeelings as it is that THIS dude has feelings, the Kelly protege working extra hard for his seeming effortlessness. And so it's satisfying when he kind of collapses conceptually, but you don't need him to exert the effort if you're already familiar with him. (And I'm starting to agree that a few of the peaks on L/H really don't match up with anything on LVM for immediacy, but I like the LVM counterparts more anyway.)
Unrelated, is it just me or is he quietly singing along underneath Mariah in "My Love"? It sounds like he's reading her lines along with her, or maybe it really is an Autotune effect...
― dabug, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, that might well be the case if you've come to it that way round.
i mean, this argument could go on forever - it's obviously subjective in the extreme as to how we as listeners bridge the gap in conceptual intensity that jordan talks about, to be able to read the album in its entirety. more often than not that sort of thing generally results in either just accepting half a product (and glossing over the rest), or conferring an intentionality onto the artist where there was none before, or straight-up rewiring his or her shit even. so yknow, while i do absolutely continue to believe in lvm as a concept album i'm also willing to concede the concept concerned as being somewhat more to do with me being so 3008 rather than, for instance, the-dream ever agreeing with me that 'walking on the moon' is necessarily shitty as a self-satisfied monied prelude, or with how i see him, or whatever.
i do prefer love/hate though, much in the same way that ne-yo will always be the correct answer to the thread question.
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link
kinda wanna take issue with the idea that the album with (or that was supposed to have) the full title of love me all summer / hate me all winter ISN'T a concept album, but i know what yall mean and i'm sure yall catch my drift by now too.
(the other thing is that sheer consistency is often more of an invitation to scry conceptuality at play than it is with just razzy rhetoric and the odd nod, imo.)
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
btw, why with the bobbie gentry lex?
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you mean the part with the "* on my ella" refrain? I think that little section might be my favorite 15 seconds of anything The-Dream has done, ever
― Can't stop the dancing chickens (dyao), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link
It does have that full title on the album cover, which I didn't even know until I actually bought Love/Hate. Though I don't think I could tell you which songs on there are summer and which are winter.
― dabug, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
conferring an intentionality onto the artist where there was none before, or straight-up rewiring his or her shit even
Pretty much guilty as charged, I suppose, though it doesn't bother me to rewire for my own purposes since for me part of the fun is in cramming the album into the (usually somewhat pat) narrative I've made for it (and I do have to legitimately like the stuff first before I rewire it). But as soon as I get to "Put It Down" I feel pretty much in for the whole album, as opposed to L/H where I tend to skip around, starting on a different track each time and letting it play out (and usually stopping before "Livin' a Lie" for some reason, even though I like that song).
― dabug, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Wednesday, May 27:
NBC: Late Night With Jimmy Fallon: The-Dream, the Roots (house band)
― some people wait a lifetime for a momus like this (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
he's terrible live
― i'm educated in sex, yes (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
alright welp that clears that up see you guys l8r
― some people wait a lifetime for a momus like this (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i43.tinypic.com/359cosy.jpg
― i'm educated in sex, yes (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
haha
― some people wait a lifetime for a momus like this (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i mean his shortcomings as a vocalist become impossible to ignore when he steps outside the studio, but i still wouldn't mind seeing the Roots do up one of his songs with a dope live arrangement.
― pimp ship flying high (some dude), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
will watch the shit outta that
― i am rubber, t u.r.koglu (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
i didn't think much of him live either but afterwards he was def ill, so i gave him a pass
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
did you see him with the live band set up?
― some people wait a lifetime for a momus like this (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link
yup
he said he wanted a motorcycle and a helicopter in the stage show but they wouldn't let him
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i just noticed another l/h 'reference' on lvm
on "take u home to my mama": "her titties like woooOOOOO/ her booty like woooooo"
on "luv songs": "she grab the high note *oooohh*/ i take the mid oooooh"
― hazmat yayo (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link
http://videos.onsmash.com/v/834Y39eZdnmqU8XC&res=800
gifs of all the unbelievably fruity moments where he's tryna make some personality happen are officially mandatory
haha cackling my azz off over here
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
can just picture hype williams all tickling him off-camera like, come on mr sulky face where's that smile i like to see, yeaaah there it is
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link
are you serious hype williams directed that?
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
you appear to be surprised that h williams made a bad video in 2009
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:16 (fifteen years ago) link
jus surprised at lack of fish eye
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link
yeesh, terius' camp mannerisms and that awkward lift-one-foot-then-the-other 'dance'
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty sure that is how I dance
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link
it's okay as long as you're feeling it though, right?
dude's been working other gimmicks like milk bars, triple decker widescreen and obnoxiously monochromatic color schemes so much longer than he ever used the fisheye.
― gabb nebula (some dude), Thursday, 28 May 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link
was gonna say, when's the last time hype used the fish eye
― just sayin, Thursday, 28 May 2009 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link
fish eye thing ws a joke btw
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 May 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
weak joke btw
― gabb nebula (some dude), Thursday, 28 May 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
― i am rubber, t u.r.koglu (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
so now that "My Love"'s cycle is over and it's officially gone down as The-Dream's first completely unsuccessful solo single, are y'all ready to admit it was kind of a dud or not
― NEO-GEO v THE DREAMCAST (some dude), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
(not counting "Booty," just the first 4 that got videos and the whole big push)
― NEO-GEO v THE DREAMCAST (some dude), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
commercially a dud, but still a dope song. there's so many great things about it - my favorite now is after the middle eight when the beat drops back in like a fucking bomb, im like \m/ every time
― i am rubber, t u.r.koglu (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't mind it on the album but it never struck me as a potential hit, w/ or w/o mariah, just kinda glad to be vindicated on that. singles jukebox cru kinda pissed me off giving it a higher score than "rockin'".
― NEO-GEO v THE DREAMCAST (some dude), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah back when this dropped i was more into "my love" but "rockin that shit" is my shit now, 9 for that and my love's an 8
― i am rubber, t u.r.koglu (k3vin k.), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Al otm.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
as a single it doesn't register strong enough as a Mariah hit or an R&B number.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link
This really begs the question of who is a worse dancer: The American Dream or Yeezy?
― songz in the key of life (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 May 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link