Tonight, Tonight is too low imo, the strings are absolutely gorgeous and the way it shifts between the huge strings and the intimate guitar arpeggios is lovely, always been a favourite.
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/B0e3FwX.jpg22. Muzzle358 points, 14 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
i love the harmonics(?) in "zero" so much
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
"muzzle" too low
oh shit i didn't vote for it lol
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
yeah that synth always gets me. It only plays six notes
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
Would’ve been in my top 10 years ago but didn’t make my ballot. Great, super simple song.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
god everything about "snail" is just amazing
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Muzzle is one of the best. It has this breathless quality, like it's all just tumbling out in a rush.
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
i love that "muzzle" is sequenced next to "porcelina" bc i think of it as a miniature porcelina, a summary of the band in a 3.5 minute pop song
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
i put together my ballot in about 10 minutes, and i'm bummed i somehow didn't even include "shame", even though it's one of my favorite tracks on adore. errors of exclusion, and also misallocation errors like putting "tonight, tonight" at #4! i do really like "tonight, tonight", but i didn't mean to throw it that many points.
was MCIS anyone else's intro to SP? it pretty much was, for me. i didn't have cable and completely missed out on siamese dream, and then picked up MCIS on the advice of a friend. from that perspective, opening pair of tracks were the perfect demo of their range, the quiet piano-led overture (with those mellotron strings that i still love today) opening up into the cinematic sweep of "tonight, tonight". as a budding drummer i loved the way such a majestic song could be driven by a single snare drum, and the way the strings and the majesty of it all piled up in the last section entranced my 14-year-old mind (i didn't come across MCIS until 1997).
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
"Muzzle" just missed my ballot.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
it was my intro karl! i bought mellon collie at a tower records a few weeks after i saw the "bullet with butterfly wings" video. one of my first cds and my first ever double album
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
the drumming on Muzzle is really great and the solo & bridge rule but it's a little too repetitive otherwise I think
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
yeah, i think maybe my first double album as well! i think i got The Wall around the same time, which seems appropriate. :)
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
My introduction to this band - and I'm dating myself here - was the Lull EP. I probably would've bought Gish but my local record store - the long-defunct Pikesville, MD Record and Tape Traders - only had this EP on cassette, so that's what I went with after reading some brief press items about this up-and-coming Chicago band with the weird name.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2503723CB22F84D0
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
i completely missed out on sd too but that's bc i wasn't allowed to watch mtv before i was seven (the "scream" video premiered on mtv and there was no way my parents were going to stop me from seeing that, and that kinda broke the seal)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
I've been pointlessly amending my ballot as we go and already made four substitutions and a number of reallocations. I definitely needed Glynis on my ballot, and probably needed Drown and Luna to be higher.
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
jmm, maybe that's a new thread after this poll is over? revised ballots
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
i've never loved "silverfuck" bc it's the most tossed off bullshit lyric on siamese dream but it does rock and... it was certainly an event live
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
"Muzzle" was my #2 and is the closing track on all my mental re-edits of MCIS. A tremendous anthem and encapsulation of so many of the things the band did best and unashamedly, the tortured guitar-angel poet whining his barbaric yawp into the starry night. The succession of the "and I knew" sequence, the "and the world" sequence and finally the repetition of "I knew the silence of the world" makes it feel three times as epic somehow. A different version of the Zero-Silverfuck link: they've folded what would have been an eight-minute SD track into under four minutes (my station at least took the promo-single cue and gave this significant airplay for a while) but it still feels like it has the scope and drama of the epic. BN's "miniature Porcelina" is a great way to think about it.
MCIS was 100% my intro. I knew people with SD t-shirts in sixth grade but I didn't really hear or get into any current music until right around 95-96 as I started high school. Probably got it as a Christmas item in 1996. Not sure if it was my first double CD - I probably already had All Things Must Pass. I didn't get Siamese Dream until late in '97 (it was on my birthday list and my brother obliged).
― explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
MCIS was my real intro, but I may have heard SD at my cousin's house while listening to his CDs a year or two earlier. He had Radiohead, Pumpkins, and NIN CDs, and was wearing a Tool t-shirt, and had Shining and Reservoir Dogs posters, and a girlfriend with a Marilyn Manson shirt. It was all very overwhelming.
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/TqBzIxI.jpg21. For Martha380 points, 15 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Adore, 1998
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
yessss
"for martha" was the first song i learned on piano.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
too low!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
This is a pretty amazing song.
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
it wasn't my no. 1 or anything but it's probably his most accomplished song imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
Great, great song. You listen to this and realize how much restraint and balance Corgan had then. He - or the band, or whatever - could seemingly do ANYTHING for a while there.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
I really should've had For Martha on my ballot, had a realisation literally just this morning how amazing it is.
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
it was also like in the middle of listening to this song at 3am when i was 13 years old that i was like "yes actually adore is my favorite album of all time"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
there's an alternative version of Adore in my head that excises the more electro-goth songs (which i really like, don't get me wrong!) and instead leans heavily on the ballad-goth songs:
to sheilaonce upon a timetearshamebehold! the night marefor marthablank page
only 7 songs and ~40 minutes, but for me these are the core songs of adore
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
the heart songs
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR placing this high just lifts the heart, damn
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
OTM, Whir is all-time.
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
I'm guessing that "Crestfallen" is somewhere up ahead. Right?
RIGHT?!?
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
For Martha was the only song that made sense to me when I first heard Adore. really incredible song and one of their most moving. the way the guitar solo explodes into existence!
that's the last one for now
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Muzzle way too low! my fav track on MatIS
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Way behind but: the "Zero" riff is incredible! It's such a simple idea but just by sliding his finger down that stretch of the low sixth string with a load of distortion, he basically plays a catchy descending Eb major arpeggio in just intonation on the 6th, 5th, and 4th harmonics. It made my top 10 mostly for that + the noise solo.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:12 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i voted for it real high but i'm guessing: no
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
recap so far:
21 For Martha 380 15 122 Muzzle 358 14 023 Tonight, Tonight 348 14 024 Silverfuck 338 13 025 Whir 336 11 126 Zero 328 13 027 Frail and Bedazzled 322 11 128 Siva 314 13 129 Snail 310 11 030 Hello Kitty Kat 294 14 131 Shame 274 10 032 To Forgive 266 9 033 Appels + Oranjes 250 9 035 I Am One 234 9 035 Beautiful 234 9 136 Quiet 232 9 037 Bullet With Butterfly Wings 228 9 038 Bodies 226 8 039 Love 216 11 040 Bury Me 214 10 041 Luna 208 10 042 To Sheila 196 10 143 Behold! The Night Mare 188 8 044 Glynis 184 8 045 Blank Page 180 9 046 Eye 172 9 047 Where Boys Fear To Tread 170 7 048 By Starlight 162 9 049 Cupid de Locke 156 9 052 Age of Innocence 154 5 052 Crush 154 6 152 I of the Mourning 154 5 153 Pug 150 6 056 Spaceboy 142 6 056 Ava Adore 142 6 056 Wound 142 7 058 Tear 134 4 058 Real Love 134 7 059 Suffer 128 5 060 Disarm 124 6 061 X.Y.U. 122 5 162 Farewell and Goodnight 120 4 063 Glass and the Ghost Children 118 4 064 The Boy 116 4 065 Stumbleine 112 6 066 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 110 3 1
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
For Martha is the kind of overblown epic that MCIS needed to end with. Unfortunately they didn't close Adore with it either.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
'for martha' would have been a great closer, it's true. i really love "blank page", though. the sound of beautiful exhaustion
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
pretty dope list so far tbh. aside from a few things i really can't stand, it's shaping up to be a killer "everything good about the band in one place" playlist. crazy to me that some really canonical songs only had like nine or eleven people voting for them. i could imagine we're about to hit a real jump point where everything showed up in at least half of the ballots. kinda thinking "drown" might take this as something i can't imagine anybody not putting somewhere in their 25. but there's a lot of heavy hitters that haven't shown up yet. only thirteen songs from my ballot have placed so far and of the ones that haven't i feel like the only one i can safely rule out at this point is "This Time."
― explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
I didn't get a chance to vote, but jesus this is a trip down memory lane. I didn't go much beyond Mellon Collie at the time, but this has brought back many stoned nights in my parent's garage. I'd have had Mayonnaise at #1 fwiw. Or maybe Snail.
Is it too obvious to mention how much Mogwai wanted to sound like Slint but actually nicked a huge chunk of their sound from Silverfuck?
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
I don't know. I think This Time still has a good shot. "As the curtain falls we bid you all goodnight" packed a punch.
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
About nine songs from my ballot have made it so far; maayyyybe five more songs will join them in the final stretch.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Yeah Mogwai were basically an instrumental SD cover band early on. Then they got a lot worse as they tried to be Tortoise and got the Godspeed You Black Emperor disease.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
Fuck, every song that's placed in the Top 30 so far is a masterpiece.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
For Martha too loooow
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
"Quiet" = great opening and riff, but the song goes nowhere and Billy's vocal leaves something to be desired. I usually listen to 15 seconds and then hit skip.
― Sam Weller, Saturday, 7 April 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link