― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Having said that, having one name dominating utterly is unhealthy, but still, I'd rather some of this stuff has a truly universal distribution than not at all. It's possibly worth noting that the reason Fabric *has* become such a major player *and* that you're noticing it is that it is the one superclub brand that has actually managed to retain a fairly consistent level of quality. Fuck knows how many heavily branded Ministry Of Sound cds have been released over the years, certainly more than forty.
― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
I guess it's a different way of marketing, with Eskimo stuff I personally find there's a real sense of excitement about the way each project is branded, and given a different theme, it's like everything is considered. Whereas with Fabric it's like, "now we have Ivan Smagghe, whom we know you also like". I think Vahid is a bit of an Eskimo nut perhaps, so maybe he'll step in at some stage!
I don't think all the best mixes are necessarily on Fabric either, there are probably 5 or 6 really good ones though. I just think it'd be kind of crap if in 3 years time it's like Fabric 56 etc. Can Fabric actually stay cool in this way for long?
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
eskimo is a boutique label - they can keep the quality control pretty damn high (and so far i've really only been let down by "death disco" (and maybe a bit by "serie noir 2" but only from the viewpoint of "adonis, PiL, die warzau and mr fingers again??"), everything else has been solid gold.
yeah, fabric is a superclub label, and while they're doing a super job of it, ronan is right that they often swerve off from their winning streaks into total crap - dj heather and joe ransom?? but that's what happens when you have a subscription duties to fulfill!!!
(see also fabric 5: pure science - did they decide to release a pure science artist album because somebody dropped out last minute?? or did they not have the time to clear licensing for a pure science mix??)
as for the question of "can fabric actually stay cool", even though i am a big fan of the early work (awesome volumes from craig richards, tony humphries, tyler stadius, james lavelle, deadly avenger and grooverider) their hit:miss ratio actually seems to be gradually ramping up from 1/2 to somewhere around 2/3 or 3/4 ... so who knows?
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 10 February 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
but you'd expect that, because
1) they've been in the promoting/mixtapes game much longer than either eskimo or fabric (and ronan is more right than we give him credit for in his comparison, because while it can get a bit lost in the shuffle, the eskimo recordings mixes are pretty much all promo material for the glimmer twins club activities)
2) they're damn fucking expensive!! big premium on quality!!
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 10 February 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Telephone Thing, Friday, 11 February 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster, Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster, Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link
We have them playing on Wednesday which should be cool.
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster, Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster, Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Keine Lust (Black Strobe mix
― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link
OK, now I like Black Strobe a lot.. and they certainly are an ILM favorite.. but may i vent?
WHY CAN'T ALL YOU BLACK STROBE WORSHIPPING FUCKERS APPRECIATE THAT, AS FUN AS THEY ARE, THEY ARE ULTIMATELY A FUCKING FRONT 242 RIP-OFF THROUGH AND THROUGH?
Ok, I'm better now.
-- donut debonair (do...), May 13th, 2005.
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
But... come on!
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway evidence..
Black Strobe "Chemical Sweet Girl" (original) vs. Front 242 "Motion"
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link
There's still a strong Front 242 feel in their other stuff, but I don't think anyone's going out of their way not to acknowledge this. The entire angle by which people praise Black Strobe is that they've reinjected that Front 242/Nietzer Ebb/DAF vibe back into conventional, club-based dance music. The ongoing neglect that those groups receive generally could be saved by a good reissue policy I think.
I think we need an album from Black Strobe to do a proper quantative comparison; I certainly don't think you can dismiss them at this stage when they've been responsible for "Innerstrings (Volga Select Double Dub)", "Narcodancer", "Fitting Together", "The Abwehr Disco", the remixes of Tiefschwarz, Rammstein and Dave Clarke, and partially "The Unconditional Discipline of the Bastard Prince".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 May 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Omar (Omar), Saturday, 14 May 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 14 May 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Probably more in love with this idea than with the music itself.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 14 May 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link
I mean, I'd take Black Strobe 10x over Front 242 today! I fell off the 242 wagon after 05:22:09:12 Off from 1993 or so.
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Did I listen to yet another unrepresentative Black Strobe track?
― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Donut have you heard "Narcodancer"??? It is the absolute unsung gem in their backcatalogue.
Also Phil Sherburne included an awesome track "Pins & Needles" in a mix he did last year but I don't know if it's been formally released yet.
"Audika" is also good but a bit slow - I prefer it sped up in its bootlegged with "Like I Love You" form.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
...and of course Black Strobe - Italian Fireflies...
Fine, fine electro riffery.
― Pistola, Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link
I never really had a goth phase, but I think I'm going out to buy a long black leather coat today and move to Belleville or something. I've actually never heard Front 242 before this mix (!) but now I'm very curious. I also bought a Rammstein record because of the Keine Lust remix!
I'm sort of wondering if all music shouldn't be like this. for today anyway!
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― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― telephone thing, Friday, 18 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― telephone thing, Friday, 18 November 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 19 November 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 November 2005 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link
So fickle.
Black Strobe - if you're reading this, you too! I'm sure all the goth kids hanging around the malls of Pleasanton and Hayward would totally dig it.
― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― telephone thing, Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
I will, thank you.
― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― etc, Thursday, 2 March 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― telephone thing, Thursday, 2 March 2006 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link