yeah just noticed that in fact
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
I'm inclined to say it's not Free, only because that looks like a double-bass-drum setup, whereas Simon Kirke only played single-bass-drum kits.
now that I look at it, that is kind of a weird kit set up. You think the second bass drum is not visible/on the right, with the snare in the middle?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
Yeah drum setup was a whole other mystery. I was also guessing second kick not visible.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
'three shillings.. fortnight'.. so a British advert, could be a British band?
― piscesx, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I assume the other bass drum is hidden from view.
xps
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
it's def a British advert, which means the festival is probably British. I suppose other candidates besides IOW could be:
Hollywood Music FestivalPhun CityKralingen Music FestivalGlastonbury
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
those were all in 1970 and I think all the sites are rural...?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
That Little Richard cover looks like it's dated May 27th 1970, probably not a help tho
― MaresNest, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
Since the example magazine cover doesn't have a British artist, maybe not a British festival either - at least no reason to assume.
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
Kralingen looks like the field was surrounded by woods, so it's not that one
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
maybe not a British festival either
Lot of UK festivals in the 60s/70s anyway...
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/index.html
― home, home and deranged (ledge), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
it's gotta be '69-'70 given the style of the band + the cover issue image
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
ok that narrows it down to about 30 in the uk alone!
― home, home and deranged (ledge), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
yeah I'm assuming it has to be 69/70
now all we need is a list of all british (and maybe american/canadian) bands that played at one of the dozens of British festivals and had long hair. Fuck.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
the stage lights and crash barriers are the most distinctive things for comparing to other stage photos.
― home, home and deranged (ledge), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
That issue is number 59, dated 1967.
― piscesx, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
It looks like the drummer may be playing with no front head on his kick, if that helps at all. Although I'm not even sure of that from the picture. Unusual move on a giant festival stage.
He also seems to have some kind of contraption that keeps his hi-hat stand in place by anchoring it to the kick, never seen one of those before.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
xp no Issue 59 is 1970https://www.wolfgangs.com/magazines/rolling-stone-issue-59/magazine/RS59.html
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
this is true but finding shots from behind the kit/looking out from the stage seems kinda hard with GIS - you google a lot of these festivals and all you get is shots from the crowd and handbills
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
don't think it's Free?
https://timtirelli.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/aaa-a-master-fronte-lungo1.jpg
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
Bath 1970 had barriers like that:
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Bath-Festival-front-stage-9.jpg
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
See also this Zep at Bath 1970 photo:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z9pub6YJi8s/UB4VM-Pd7JI/AAAAAAAAAzg/vALOafKtEJE/s1600/1970-bath-festival-of-blues.jpg
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
Oh shit, I think that's the festival. Look at the monitor speakers.
nice! so these are our bands?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj8_I2epdHcAhVhIjQIHVNOB2gQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ledzeppelin.com%2Fshow%2Fjune-28-1970&psig=AOvVaw3zKVhnsfh0z2yJtW4Xa97N&ust=1533399719322618
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
list of bands here with links to some pics:
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html
― home, home and deranged (ledge), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
horizon trees on the right (in the bath barriers photo) look very like the horizon trees in the original
― mark s, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
wait, holy shit, I think I've got it
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
it's
sorry
http://www.pinkfloydz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/bath2.jpg
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Flock-bath-70-mark-1000.jpg
THE FLOCK
I mean, it is right? Drummer has a dark tanktop, jumping longhair frontman with white sleeveless shirt and tight pants, frontless double kicks
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
Right, I think I've got it. First of all, from the crash barriers and distinctive monitors at the front of the stage I worked out it's the Bath Festival, 27-29 June, 1970. Here's Canned Heat:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VFTOdmt1HWw/hqdefault.jpg
... and the band in the photo is the Flock on 28th June, 1970.
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/flock.html
.. check the leaping singer and the drummer's outfit.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
Nice!
― how's life, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bath-70-flock-derek.jpg
(xp) Beaten to it!!!
Not sure what Jerry Goodman had done with his violin and bow in the first pic
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
LOL (xp)
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
nice!
who the fuck are the Flock
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
(xxp) I reckon it's been airbrushed.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Apparently it was a Jerry Goodman (of Mahavishnu Orchestra) outfit. I had never heard of them before although I certainly know who he is. Want to check them out now.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
lol "Can't have no violins in a ROCK AND ROLL poster!"
I'm sure they're on one of those Rock Machine Turns You On type albums - but one of the tracks no-one played.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flock_(band)
So they were actually his pre-Mahavisnhu project.
Drummer Ron Karpman doesn't seem to have done a lot outside of The Flock
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
this was a really fun diversion from a boring work day
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAESnMOIRw
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
Not are they only are they on one of those Rock Machine Turns You On type albums, Jerry Goodman is on the cover...
https://img.discogs.com/cmCaqoS79WRV_C9TJAG8PCIpRlw=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-491589-1381686651-9454.jpeg.jpg
... their track is a horrible late 60s version of "Tired of Waiting for You"
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
I only know who the Flock was because WXRT in Chicago used to talk about them like they were some incredible great lost '60s band a la Moby Grape. Didn't actually hear any of their music until today, and it sounds exactly like you'd imagine the Mahavishnu violinist fronting Blood, Sweat & Tears to sound like.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
I don't know what UK copyright/persona law was like in 1970, but it also kind of makes sense that they'd use an anonymous photo of a lesser-known band if there was otherwise a risk of paying for use of someone's likeness in an ad.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
welp this band is awful
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
lol, can't listen right now but looking forward to the disappointment later
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
^^^ lol, exactly how I remember them. I don't remember how I ended up owning their Dinosaur Swamps album as a kid, but I sold it haven't thought about it since. Cool cover though.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/dc/1e/fcdc1e1a00320de69600b0e4eef8257b.jpg
― Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
(xpost to Tarfumes)
― Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
Wikipedia sez their saxophonist, one Tom Webb, "participated in" the recording of Bitches Brew, "but [his] performance was not recorded."
So...either he was at the session but his mic/channel was mysteriously turned off, or Tom Webb is a damn liar.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 August 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
he brought sandwiches
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
"Here you are, Mr. Davis. Now, I should tell you that I specifically asked the man at the deli for a 'roast beef motherfucker' per your instructions, but all they had was a regular roast beef sandwich."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 August 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Nice detective work! It’s a cool picture anyone got a clean (no text) version of it?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 3 August 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
so it took me a sec, but it looks like those pics may have been taken at nearly the same moment, with the latter (non-RS one) reversed (unless the drummer is left-handed).
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
Wikipedia sez their saxophonist, one Tom Webb, "participated in" the recording of Bitches Brew, "but [his ] performance was not recorded."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, August 3, 2018 11:57 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol, I could totally see Miles being like "Teo, turn this motherfucker's mic off"
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
^^^ my thoughts exactly
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
He had the good dope so Miles said he could "play on the session," something like that
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
now I kind of want to start a "photos taking from different angles at approximately the same moment" thread, but too much to do. Would presumably be mostly sports photos anyway.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 3 August 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Saturday, 4 August 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
Excellent deduction work in this thread, team.
― StanM, Sunday, 5 August 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
Yeah, this thread rules. Now I want to actually listen to the Flock.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 August 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link