Saw them together a few years ago - Haino definitely wasn't playing at his normal peak volume, and at times they were almost like a mutant version of Sonny Rollins/Jim Hall - that's to say the whole thing was jazzier than I maybe would've expected. Still plenty fierce in places of course, w/ Brotz more than holding his own.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 9 August 2018 10:42 (six years ago) link
Happy 80th to the Brotz! (Tomorrow, actually.) I wrote something.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 March 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
Great piece, HB Brotz, thank you for yr huge and endlessly rewarding discography
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 5 March 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
Speaking of which I am just now getting around to this trio with Maâlem Moukhtar Gania & Hamid Drake that came out last yr and is just great
https://idischidiangelica.bandcamp.com/album/the-catch-of-a-ghost
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 5 March 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
Holy shit I didn't know that existed somehow, the WELS concert is a desert island disc for me, I'm losing it.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 5 March 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
So...this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_vruhZkAO4
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
Making fun of free jazz like it's 1965. (To be fair, it's probably one of the larger audiences Brotzmann has reached.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
Sounds like Brotz (per his exchange with Heather Leigh that she posted) doesn't really care, which isn't a big shock.
Like I mentioned on Twitter, if this same thing had happened when I was in high school and Jay Leno played a bit of "Nipples" and said it was awful, I would have hit the ground running the next morning trying to find a copy and I'm sure kids are doing the same thing today.
And for the record I hated Fallon before it was cool
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
I'm just surprised that Questlove sat there and chuckled along without saying anything, that dude knows Brotzmann's legacy/collabs for sure.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
The jazz "jokes" would have been dated during the Steve Allen-era Tonight Show
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
Re: Questlove, not entire surprised as it reminds me of why Wynton Marsalis quit The Tonight Show - he got sick of having to suck up to a smarmy ass wipe like Leno. Fallon is basically Leno-lite.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
*entirely
Yeah, I guess it's not his place to push back on the boss' stupid bits like that, just bugs me knowing he has a much deeper appreciation for music than that dumb skit allows for.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
if this same thing had happened when I was in high school and Jay Leno played a bit of "Nipples" and said it was awful, I would have hit the ground running the next morning trying to find a copy and I'm sure kids are doing the same thing today.
I doubt very much that they are
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
You don't think there are weird kids these days who like dissonant music? There might not be a lot of them but I'm positive they exist.
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
I'm just going to guess that weird kids who like dissonant music aren't watching Fallon at all now that shit like that is easily avoided (until something like goes viral, that is).
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
The problem is that now social media is full of cranky middle-aged fuckers typing in all caps about HOW DARE JIMMY FALLON MAKE FUN OF THE GREAT PETER BRÖTZMANN and nothing makes a teenager/young person LESS likely to investigate something than seeing an old person rave about it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
The funny thing to me is I literally played Machine Gun for my older kid just last week. He dug it.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, September 9, 2021 3:35 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yes clearly it is the jazz police who are the problem
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
I'm a sovereign jazz citizen and I'm placing you all under arrest
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
https://cdn.smehost.net/milesdaviscom-uslegacyprod/wp-content/uploads/1985/04/youreunderarrest.jpg
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
Brotzmann feels like a serious outlier among those 4. I suspect Questlove and Dumbass Fallon are probably both fans, testing the waters to see if they could get away with playing difficult free jazz on NBC in 2021. They've become jaded with the monotony of their depressingly bleak programming.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
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https://www.stereogum.com/2119421/jimmy-fallon-did-a-bit-about-a-song-by-obscure-slint-offshoot-king-kong/news/
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
Schwarzwaldfahrt inspired my neighbors to call the jazz police on one occasion.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
https://frinkiac.com/meme/S07E07/1159090.jpg?b64lines=SSBoZWFyZCBKaW1teSBGYWxsb24gbWFkZSAKZnVuIG9mIFBldGVyIEJyw7Z0em1hbm4gYW5kIAphdGUgYWxsIHRoZSBQZXRlciBCcsO2dHptYW5uIAphbmQgdGhleSBoYWQgdG8gY2xvc2UgCnRoZSBQZXRlciBCcsO2dHptYW5uLg==
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
Fallon was so mean about like, literal children. What a prick. Why would you do that? The whole bit is mean-spirited and shitty.
― ian, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link
was wondering when this fab record was gonna get a mention
― sleeve, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link
^^^ sickest jams
― ian, Thursday, 9 September 2021 23:07 (three years ago) link
The whole bit is mean-spirited and shitty.
otm, I've never watched the show beyond the occasional viral musical clip, but that is a seriously low-rent segment, just dunking on musicians. wtf. I thought his whole shtick was that he was like an inoffensive nice guy
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 10 September 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
idk, man, it's a cheap bit but then again most Fallon things kind of revel in cheap emotions (nostalgic recognition, juxtaposition, epic baconness, applause) that aren't exactly "jokes" per se.
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 September 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
whichever boomer hipster on Fallon's staff that got King Kong and Brotzmann played is definitely responsible for getting a Mark Prindle CDR on the segment a few months back
― I Occasionally Post on ILX (2x5), Friday, 10 September 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
Are boomers aware of Mark Prindle? He's in his 40s.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 10 September 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
'The Jazz Police' was the original title for 'The Dream of the Blue Turtles' iirc
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 September 2021 14:27 (three years ago) link
Thanks ums
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 10 September 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
hooba
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 September 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
Wasn't that a Cheap Trick song?
― birdistheword, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
Colbert really put a lot more effort into the same kind of bit: https://www.cc.com/video/o1qorx/the-colbert-report-who-s-not-honoring-me-now-the-macarthur-foundation
― JoeStork, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
Baby hooba hoobasee my little tartiewe'll be talking later we've got plans for you now
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 10 September 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
'The Jazz Police' was the original title for 'The Dream of the Blue Turtles' iircWasn't that a Cheap Trick song?― birdistheword, Friday, September 10, 2021 7:31 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― birdistheword, Friday, September 10, 2021 7:31 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
It was a jazzy album Sting made after he left The Police, I was making a crap joke, sorry.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 September 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
that is the one weak track on Leonard Cohen's "I'm Your Man" --
― sarahell, Friday, 10 September 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
:-(
Facts: a statement from Peter Brötzmann about his health situation pic.twitter.com/dXYyYm7DE9— Heather Leigh (@wishimage) March 23, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 March 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link
man, I hope he is on the mend, this is a major dude.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 23 March 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
Truly sucks to hear this, and hoping for the best. That one time I caught him with Keiji Haino was a hell of a night.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2023 15:05 (one year ago) link
He played in London last month - sold out in seconds flat so I couldn't go. Hoping he recovers.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 24 March 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
The only jazz gig I've ever been to where they were handing out ear plugs before the concert was by Herr Brötzmann (of course)!
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 24 March 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
RIP to the good man.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 June 2023 02:56 (one year ago) link
:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbVpx5-XYng
Great, great artist. RIP
― birdistheword, Friday, 23 June 2023 04:15 (one year ago) link
RIP, peter
― budo jeru, Friday, 23 June 2023 05:34 (one year ago) link
rip. somehow missed the brotzmann/leigh duo when they played here, but have an enduring memory of the one time i did see him: a hulking form in a long coat wandering around port chalmers puffing away on a cigar before filling an ex-masonic hall with the most glorious sounds.
― no lime tangier, Friday, 23 June 2023 07:48 (one year ago) link
https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/an-exceptional-human-being-tributes-to-peter-brotzmann
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
Slightly belated obituary in the Guardian in the course of which it's revealed that Bill Clinton was a fan! Who knew?!?!
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jul/11/peter-brotzmann-obituary
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Friday, 21 July 2023 11:56 (one year ago) link
Also I saw Joe McPhee play last night and he talked quite movingly about Brotzmann.
― John Donne In Concert (Tom D.), Friday, 21 July 2023 12:05 (one year ago) link
"revealed that Bill Clinton was a fan! Who knew?!?!"
Lol
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 July 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
Somehow I remember hearing about that.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 July 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link