Where will you go to talk about music after you leave ilm for good?

my best friends all have great taste in music, but we all live in diff cities now. i have to accommodate a lot more normie-rockism with the people i talk to irl about music these days

this

the main problem for me is/remains that no one actually wants to talk about the music I want to talk about, so it is entirely a self-centered experience

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Saturday, August 11, 2018 5:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is otm for me but also

the main problem for me is/remains that no one actually wants to talk about the music

xposts steely dan obv

but for real i mostly just listen to ambient music and i don't really have the capacity to discuss stuff like that beyond "hey check out this thing that made me freak out when i heard it"

i'm no good music writer so it's hard for me to sell something and anything i write just reads corny to me.

yup, I definitely sympathize with this. when I try to drum up interest in an artist/release that most people here haven't heard, I end up sounding like a press release or a 5-star Amazon review. I guess there are only so many ways to say "this is good. I like it. maybe you guys would like it too". on the other hand I feel like I don't have anything original to say about music that's already on ilm's radar.

also it seems like 90% of the active discussions on ilm are centered on either new releases or acknowledged canon classics (whether it's the Rolling Stone canon or the alternative canon ilxors have constructed over the past 18 years). I'm bad at keeping up with new releases, so a lot of the time I'll get into a hyped album like 5 years after everyone else here has moved on, in which case it seems more dignified to lurk in the archives than to bump an old thread and be like, "hey, how bout that Huerco B album from 2013 that noone talks about anymore?" —but otoh the "classic" music I listen to isn't the kind of classic music most people here are interested in, so I feel left out of the St**ly D*n lovefest as well. I still find a lot to interest me here, but I'm mainly present as a lurker and/or low-effort novelty poster these days.

(er, Huerco S)

Starting threads about new music for me, best case scenario, is the lil peep thread.

So about 150 posts of arguing followed by what happens on the typical new music thread of ~4-12 responses

lol

I really like your threads/posts D-40!

xps to flopson and uh... unregistered:

This is is more or less how I feel too, but on the posting level. I post mainly on the rolling Afropop thread(s), because that’s the music I love, and listen to, the most - and that’s a niche thread with (ever) few(er) posters. The worst thing about it is the lack of feedback and interaction. Even when you/I try to write a bit instead of just posting links, there’s hardly any response, and especially when like me, you’re very insecure about your writing to begin with, that can be painful and disheartening. It holds me back on the occassions I think of starting a thread about someone or something (and frankly from posting too much on other threads as well).
As for alternatives: I’ve checked the afrobeats/Afropop threads on Reddit (I don’t know of any other currently active ones), but they’re dull as dishwater - just a few people dropping completely random links every once in a while, with zero interaction), so, to quote flopson, I trudge along here - more or less happily though, because there is still a lot to enjoy and discover in just following threads, even if the dwindling number of posters on ILM is extremely noticeable in the genres I’m interested in.

My favorite ILM activity is searching old threads and reading takes on things I've happened to discover since then. Of course, this also makes me nostalgic for old ILX

ive never read a steely dan thread on ilm

an issue is that the music I tend to REALLY get into at any particular point is probably random old stuff I've downloaded from soulseek, rather than new music, unless I'm writing about it; an issue is that writing is excruciating enough when I get paid for it, so writing long persuasive essays for free is even more so; an issue is I listen to mostly women; an issue, in general, is that my taste is just not shared by a lot of people since the same thing happens with books and the like.

but as far as new stuff, just going through my running best-of list, the new Ladytron is possibly my song of the year, either that or the Eleanor K track I posted in one of the rolling threads; the Little Boots EP is great and her growth as a musician is really quite rewarding; Jay-Jay Johanson and Sleep Thieves are both reliable in their own (very different ways), the She Makes War album is probably going to end up being a grower; that Josie Gross set I made a thread for is the best Tori Amos album in like 10 years; Anja Garbarek, Sofia Hardig, and Marie-Louise Munck both have pretty good new tracks. but even the more "consensus" stuff I like -- the US Girls, Roisin Murphy, Goldfrapp, etc. -- maybe has a couple posts of activity when the album comes out and that's it.

record stores intimidate the hell out of me and the stuff I like ends up in the 25-cent bin usually. as far as a local bar, uh, have you ever actually tried doing this, because the results are... not what you are suggesting. (note: this is probably way different for men)

*Josie Ghost, clearly Drew Barrymore is subconsciously in my head

see this is super good stuff to know, i like anja garbarek a lot and didn't know she had a new one out, it's really good!

ilm is by far the best music discussion board ive ever come across, so probably nowhere

xp -- it's really good! granted, it is square in the "I will love anything that sounds like this" zone, but it is very good, and no one is talking about it; I only found out about it via Spotify. (For all the endless shit Spotify takes because of the big bad evil algorithms, it's very good, possibly the only good place, for "oh shit I didn't know she had new music," particularly for artists that have disappeared from press/discussion. unless you sign up for a bunch of individual mailing lists, I guess.)

/mu/ is just Esteban Buttez with more reverb, why bother

last.fm shoutboxes all the way

i will go yo to yr mom’s house

*go

no gearslutz no credibility

although ... maybe if you hung out there long enough you'd run into thestartrekman

I would legit love a "what is Katherine listening to" thread based on your history tbh

I would also read that thread

thirded, please start that thread, i started my own thread like that this week and i'm really enjoying it so far

thestartrekman

One of the all-time ILM posters, IMO.

Is Ned's house invitation-only or can we all just go to Ned's house?

If the latter, I vote for that.

maybe i'll just start talking about music on I Love Style instead

just try it

Katherine thread would be ace

Mostly I talk about music on here. IRL I hang with friends and listen to music but there’s not as much active discussion, tho we talk about upcoming shows and stuff but it’s easier to talk about life. Otherwise there is the occasional convo with a stranger about say fleetwood Mac and I talk to my friend at the dispensary about Ariana grande and other new music 🎶

I don’t really talk about music IRL except for a few bands with some of my old high school pals. We always talked about Steely Dan, Zeppelin, Cheap Trick, War, blues music, jazz, Doobies, etc.

These days I have a couple fellow school dads who share my normie love of U2 and Pearl Jam so sometimes we’ll talk about how the new U2 jam is their least worthy or whatever. Otherwise I just wind up getting pleasantly surprised when someone comes over and sees a random record and enthuses over it. Unfortunately most of my IRL music talk centers around audiophile shit and I go along with it but I hate it. That and when people start talking about the movie business are the times I “have to go home.”

I'm joking about the shoutboxes but tbrr I started using last.fm in earnest this year (after having a dormant account for, like, a decade) and it has brought a great deal of thinking-about-music pleasure to me

ilm is by far the best music discussion board ive ever come across, so probably nowhere

― ufo, Sunday, 12 August 2018 02:22 (fourteen hours ago)

The way reddit functions makes it a terrible place to discuss music, only well known artists and songs make it to the top of the discussions and inside the threads the top opinions are always the agreeable “this song is awesome” sort of comments.

I do follow several subreddits to keep up to date with things that may have passed under my radar but in general it’s very dull.

NTS

voting other, no44 bus stop on woodlands road

enjoy the implication that this is a non-liminal space existing only in bg's psyche

xxp may do that although will have to be sporadically updated or else it'd be incriminating

Woodlands Road and the No. 44 definitely exist, not sure what bus stop he's talking about though tbf.

the one in the non-liminal space existing only in my psyche, obv

Useful if you want to get a seat I imagine.

you’d think

but no :(

There is nowhere else except facebook chats with ilm posters

it's here or irl
i don't want to go anywhere else

i genuinely like it here and also enjoy talking about music with people irl, which i have had more chances to do lately. irl is my preferred method but this is a fine substitute where i feel comfortable.

xp I love Afropop; what is your thread? Still discovering after all these years, in part because ltd. time and a bad habit of only searching for threads/topics I've seen before.

fwiw i lurk the afropop thread pretty often

would try to post more but been busy

Bodybuilding forums ftw

Treeship is back?? Welcome

in the interim since this poll closed i've decided to shift from boring people to death by talking about the records i like to boring people to death by talking about my gender dysphoria

which is good news because there are at least a couple dozen forums where everyone is 22 and has a drawing of themselves but if they were an anime girl as an avatar

I mostly just bore my wife with music talk, although I also manage to recommend her stuff she likes, so it's all good.

My friends aren't very adventurous when it comes to music. For whatever reason, this has been a staple of my existence as far back as I can remember. I've never met a true obsessive irl.

Last night, I was taking to a “rock guy” about music at a bar. When I mentioned that I mainly listen to pop and R&B these days, I got these responses:

* “That R&B must use a lot of auto-tune, huh?”

* “I heard Ryan Adam’s cover of Taylor Swift’s 1989, and decided to try listening to the original album, pretending that it was by a new indie artist or something. I didn’t hate it; those are some pretty good songs.”

He also delivered a take on modern hip-hop which I won’t repeat here (he contrasted it to the ‘90s rap that he loves); though to his credit, he prefaced it by admitting he was largely ignorant on the topic.

Anyway... taking about music IRL can be a trip.

Trip or trap? “Trip trap, trip trap,” said the troll. “Who’s that trip-trapping over my bridge?”

It is a trip! I recently learned that a guy I know wasn’t aware of Sassy magazine! Unless he was messing with me, which I guess is possible but cruel and not in character, I’d assume he was being sincere. I explained! I like when people are honest about things they don’t know about. That’s part of the joy of talking about music irl imo. The other part is mostly about talking with people irl.

Learning about things from people is enjoyable as well — the sharing of knowledge in general

I like when people are honest about things they don’t know about

otm about learning and knowledge.

i mostly know sassy magazine through their association with ian svenonius

I subscribed to Jane magazine for a few years as a young single guy (late ‘90s).

My older sister had many issues of Sassy, and like any reading material she brought to the house, I read it too.

Was Sassy the one that used to have "Cute Band Alert"?
My younger sister also had a subscription, and I did find myself leafing through the copies more than I would've ever admitted to my friends at school.

For years I thought Sassy magazine was just a made-up thing from that SNL sketch with Phil Hartman.

In fact, you could say it was a thing I was shockingly old when I learned

at the very least it's a conversation starter! while i was out that night, i asked a few more people if they were aware of Sassy magazine (then and/or now) and one guy learned about it via Rookie. ya never know! this is why talking with people is enjoyable. it's not a competition.

Was Sassy the one that used to have "Cute Band Alert"?
yes
also "sassiest boy in america" (ian svenonius was the inaugural winner iirc), tutorials for making your own clothes and other DIY stuff, cover stories about girls who do cool things, diverse models. a total departure from girl mags of the time. it was a real template for what we recognize as modern girlhood (diverse, confident, independent, DIY) it came up because i was talking about making collaged flyers with my class by cutting up old magazines and i bragged that i had every issue of sassy but they're in a pile at my parents' house. my brag was useless though bc this person wasn't aware of sassy. the end.

anyway as far as talking about music is concerned, i recommend a perennial classic: going to shows and talking with people.

I recently learned that a guy I know wasn’t aware of Sassy magazine!

How old is he? I've never heard of it but then again I was born in the mid-80s and have never knowingly bought a music magazine.

i wouldn't have brought it up if he were very much older or younger than me -- he's about 4 years younger than i am iirc?
i used to guzzle music magazines, it was all there was!