grime in 2004

are you sharing it?

top of my shared folder, now ALL in mp3! heh...

a friend of mine thinks grime beats are like post-garage production. im not sure how possible that is since garage is still going.

can someone explain the fuss about davinche and paperchase? is it perhaps that they r heroically mediocre?

the dizzee/doogz tune is boring. i have thought this of much grime i have heard since 'stand up tall' was released, including the rest of dizz's lp, i am coming to admit. except ruff sqwad's 'anna' and 'move to this'; do you all agree with the widow twanky blogs that have bemoaned the ruff sound qwality and mired lyrics? these songs are intensely perfectly great and i shouldnt be the first one to say so.

"Anna" is brilliant, but I've only heard an instrumental version. The rhythm programming alone is stunning though. Don't all the blogs love Ruff Sqwad though?

I disagree re Davinche though, I reckon he's a really good producer (do you still hate Terra Danjah candour?)

(oh i didnt mean solo t stryder's 'move', i forgot about that, it was thinking of a different one)

woebot and shoelaces complained about anna's mastering. i smashed my head with my keyboard.

davinche has nice chops, and a tidy sensibility. but i find it of little consequence. if he was a uk hiphop producer i'd give him a pat on the back.

i already said i liked the grimette td stuff! has he had any new riddimic ones? because it was cock back and the sort that i wasn't so into. terra will let you all down very soon though

(man some of the newer dubs i heard on woebot's ruff sqwad stream, ones beginning to use anguish vocal samples, even i would darkly say: blimey it's the continuum)

Yeah I thought you'd already changed your mind on td I just couldn't remember for sure.

My version of "Anna" sounds fine, though 'cos it's all grainy mp3s for me I'd hardly know the difference anyway. Whenever I hear Ruff Sqwad tracks as instrumentals I find it difficult to imagine rapping on them cos they're so dense and multilayered ("Anna" is like a six part round!), but then later on I do hear vocals on the tracks and it makes perfect sense.

"davinche has nice chops, and a tidy sensibility. but i find it of little consequence. if he was a uk hiphop producer i'd give him a pat on the back."

I sort of get where you're coming from here in that he's very much a producer producer rather than a sonic artiste, but I don't know if that's such a bad thing. Stuff like "Ps & Qs" or Wiley's "Baby" or "Leave Me Alone" or "Grimey" work really well as foundations for great rap/pop tracks. He's like the K Warren of grime maybe. Or... no... No I'm struggling to think of a 2-step parallel right now that really fits. But yeah I'm love "Ps & Qs" at the moment, it's like generic grime that makes generic grime seem like a brilliant thing, like those second tier Neptunes tracks that are actually secretly first tier (lotsa Clipse stuff obv).

I loved his "What I Found In You" with Kele Le Roc as well although I haven't heard it in an age.

kano's recorded a self-produced tune with live rock guitar on his new album. i'm not *quite* sure about it myself, but the other stuff i heard in the studio sounded ace: sumptuous flutter-pop grime that rides on confidence where dizzee rides on paranoia. apparently "what have you done" won't be on the album, but "boys luv girls" will.

OK here's some news I've wanted to add to this thread for months.

The first major label-backed grime compilation, called "Run The Road" has just been completed. It's a snapshot of this scene in 2004, taking in past classics and future hits.

It's coming out on 679 Recordings (home to Kano and The Streets) on November 15th and was A&Red by 679 and myself.

Here's the tracklisting:

1. Terror Danjah feat. Hyper, Bruza, D Double E and Hyper 'c*ck Back V1.2'
2. Riko and Target 'Chosen One'
3. Roll Deep 'Let It Out'
4. Kano 'Ps and Qs'
5. Jammer feat. Wiley, D Double E, Kano and Goodz 'Destruction VIP'
6. Dizzee Rascal ft D Double E 'Give U More'
7. No Lay 'Unorthadox Daughter'
8. Shystie feat. Ronnie Redz, Kano and Bruza 'One Wish' Terror Danjah Remix
9. Goodz 'Gimmie Dat'
10. Demon feat. Bruza and Big-E-D 'Da Rush'
11. Tinchy Stryder 'Move'
12. Lady Sovereign 'Cha Ching (Cheque 1, 2 Remix)'
13. Ears 'Happy Dayz'
14. The Streets feat. Kano, Donae'o, Lady Sovereign and Tinchy Stryder 'Fit But You Know It'
15. Wonder feat. Plan B 'Cap Back'
16. Kano feat. Demon and Wiley 'Mic Fight'

Congrats Martin, from the 2/3rds of that I know it looks like an excellent selection.

Anybody got time for that Mondie and Crazy Titch tune? I'm loving it myself, on constant repeat...

xpost - purely coincidence that Kano's on a third of the tracks, right?

;)

Martin that looks great.

thanks tim and adam, v v glad you like the spec.

Roll Deep: Poltergeist Relay.

:O

How old is this?

been on vinyl about a month

Yay! That looks fantastic!

big up martin.

hey martin, dyou happen to know if it's the regular 679 PR person handling press for your comp? I'd love to get hold of a copy for review purposes.

email me mr splooge...

looks like shystie has been shifted from polydor... not sure why though. i like the idea of her going indie as the album wasnt nearly grime enough to my ears.

TNT ft. J2K & Crazy Titch - Stop

Why? Because of that amazing call-and-response chorus between Crazy and J2K, and for that awesome section where the fidgety 8-bar beat suddenly goes into 4/4 pounding to build up to the final chorus.

you seen this on vinyl or MP3?

Ha ha NO. Martin I live in a grime desert. But 1xtra is my friend.

1Xtra is my friend too. :)

What happened to Skepta?

yeah he has gone real quiet recently. that's grime for you. don't release a record for two months and you're no long a topboy. all about Da VinChe and Terror right now, but will they still be big by Christmas? Dubplate culture is relentless..

i missed that talent quest thing with fatman scoop but my mate said it had lady fury and crazy titch and all sorts of people on there competing. anyone see that? i heard crazy titch on westwood too. westwood played silly arsehole.

westwood played crazy titch? excellent!

that talent quest thing was a bit of a joke. basically, its a case of if youre pretty and female (and look white), scoop will see you now.

yeah westwoods got a huge audience so its good to see him getting behind those boys. people laugh at westwood and for good reason but he's got his ear to the street, he very rarely slips up. he (astutely) never got behind worthy brit-rap like the brotherhood but hes had wiley, dizzee and titch all up in the studio. just like how he never really backed rawkus/fondle 'em etc etc.

TRIM TALIBAN IS THE FUCKING SHIZZLE

ALSO,HUSH UP ABOUT WESTWOOD HE IS THE DON

that he never got behind rawkus and fondle em is a bit of a shame actually.

the idea that he never slips up is slightly laughable though.

supposedly crazy titch has dissed dizzee over terror squad's lean back beat.... not heard it though.

NICE, but I like Flo Dan. Does that make me an indie kid?

i think only indie kids can really think marga man is good or deserved a place on dizzee's or anyones album.

I like Marga Man alright.

He is a foil, a counterpoint.

he is a fool! never mind him being a counterpoint. that voice is just horrid. he should replace someone in big brovaz.

R.U.F.F.!!!

Where's Shark Major nowadays?

i'm scared of any of them/not some of them/not none of them/not one of them/the boogey man...

also suprisingly B-Live has made a move in grime. check the audio vocal of Wiley's Fire Hydrant that Cameo has been playing on 1Xtra...

fire hydrant is incredible.

ohmydayz did anyone else in London hear roll deep back on rinse last night?

karnage, wiley, stratchy, trim. wiley was so happy! joking, taking the pee. scratchy rhyming about dinosaurs. trim's rhymes are getting so observant too. karnage playing so many dubs, so much warm yet innovative vocal stuff.

no i bloody missed it! you didnt tape it by any chance did you martin clark?!?! ;)