― Dedicated to Jaggers Who Do Drive-Bys (noodle vague), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
It does, it's just not very unusual or weird in my estimation.
I guess my question is, at what point does a song become "two bars of 4/4 followed by a bar of 3/4" instead of just 11/4?
It depends on the accents. A lot of this ground was covered here.
― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Part of "Tallest Man, Broadest Shoulders" or whatever it's called from Illinois is in 11/8. It's 6+5 or 5+6, I forget.
And "Everything in its Right Place" is in 10, I believe. It's 4+4+2.
― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 23 September 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 23 September 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Wax Cat (Wax Cat), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
This is straight 4/4.
The verse in 'Hey Ya' is a six bar phrase where the last bar is 6/4 (or a bar of 4/4 and a bar of 2/4 if you want to think of it like that). Didn't we cover this at length in another thread?
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think so, the first section is in 3/4 then the rest is in 4. 'Master of Puppets' has an odd bar in the verse, though, if that counts.
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
^-^-^--^-^-^
(^ = accented eighth-note)(- = unaccented eighth-note)
Perhaps to represent the idea of a "schism" itself. Maybe this is what people are talking about when they say Tool are clever/inventive (because to me they mostly just sound like a shitty rock band).
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh, you're right. And then in the section before the drum break, it's in 3/4 but the drums play through it in 4/4. Then the double-time section is all in 4.
(wow I had not heard this song for years)
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Where's this thread? I'm pretty convinced of it being 4+4+3 right now.
― Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rodney doesn't like polka. He is racist. (R. J. Greene), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
There's definitely no bar of three, because the backbeat never changes.
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― Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link
I know it's not radio-friendly enough for the original question but how do you guys count Sunny Day Real Estate's "Seven?" I hear it as alternating between sections in 4/4 and sections in 5/4 (e.g. the bit that begins at 0:13, switching back to 4/4 around 0:40), but with tempo shifting at the same time so that one bar of 5/4 takes as long as one bar of 4/4 (allowing them to sometimes use similar riffs over both sections.) (I'm a little disappointed that none of it is in 7.) Am I off? -- Sundar, Saturday, 5 May 2007 14:28 (Yesterday)
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Trayce, Sunday, 6 May 2007 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Revive on the back of Starless being all 13/8 and polyrhythmic and such.
I'll also chuck in Gorillaz's '5/4' just to sound clever.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"Wanderlove" by Claudine Longet, which alternates 6/4 with 4/4, I think. Extraordinarily pretty tune, written by Mason Williams though her version is much better.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 25 October 2007 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Not a huge hit, but De La Soul - Stakes is High
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Also it's more of a strange number of bars per phrase for a hip-hop song than a strange time signature
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link
50 Cent's "Like My Style" is in 7/8, if I remember correctly.
― Jordan, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Genesis: "Turn It On Again". Some of their earlier material with weird time signatures may not be called "pop songs" but that one is, no doubt.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 25 October 2007 09:20 (sixteen years ago) link
oh POP. Bugger. I was about to go on a big Yes fondleftest.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
fest
Ha, some youtube commentator refers to Take Five as being in 2/5.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 20 January 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"Play 'Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries' in 5/4, man."
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 20 January 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I found that while looking for the Al Jarreau vocal version. (xpost)
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 20 January 2008 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link