The 'Shit Trend' in pop music right now

Im thinking of how after "Uptown Funk" there was a definite run of attempts ti recreate it, eg Fleur East and Aston Merrygold

xp re credibility: isn't it that old idea/l that they're "in it for the Art not the money"

'blindly following the shit trends in pop music' is basically the career of olly murs in a nutshell

boxedjoy Yes, this kind of thing.. 'Uptown Funk' and 'Blurred Lines' doing 80s funk; but I'm surprised not more people jumped on it?

I'm not interested in talking about the semantics of the word 'credible' ITT really

Oh there's that thing, I think they call it the 'dolphin noise' which was kind of cool when Bieber did that song with Skrillex and DJ Snake did 'Turn Down For What', but is now such a default noise in so many songs you barely notice it

finally an ilx thread about how nu-metal sucks

I do appreciate Doglatin's patient attempts at defining what a 'shit trend' is for those who might not be able to get their head round the concept.

As an offshoot of the dolphin noise there's also a 'electronically distorted unintelligible and vaguely ghostly backing vocals as a hook' thing that happens in a lot of pop songs from the latter part of this decade. I'd say it's post-Burial, but I don't think that's really the reference point for these tunes, e.g:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IoluTnuKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwjwCFZpdns

OK DL I'll leave it alone for the sake of the thread but from reading your posts it (or some other associated idea) seems pretty important to understanding what you're talking about.

I like DJ Snake's (with Selena Gomez, Ozuna, & Cardi B) 'Taki Taki'. "Despacito" too. "Reggaeton-lite" is in both of these cases pop-reggaeton that's worthy.

On listening to commercial radio today, apparently the 'Passenger' singing voice is still a thing.

xps ^ ah yes, the 'we got a criminally-insane gagged-and-bound Victorian prison inmate to do our backing vocals' sound

The 'Passenger' voice. I hear so many buskers and open mic type people (women and men) doing this voice. Like a Fraggle with two plumstones in the mouth

The multi-voice 'oh-oh-OHH-oh oh-oh-OHH-oh's or variations of it filling in the gaps between the lyrics in choruses. Imagine Dragons, Arcade Fire, all that shit. It will not go away.

The 'Passenger' voice. I hear so many buskers and open mic type people (women and men) doing this voice. Like a Fraggle with two plumstones in the mouth

― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Monday, October 15, 2018 8:57 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yeah this is trash. even ladies are doing the passenger voice now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SU0gFPMwP8

spot on

Reggaeton-lite has been a staple of the charts for a good 15 years now (La Tortura, etc), and Imagine Dragons and Arcade Fire are arguable on a downward trajectory after peaking in terms of 'relevance' five years ago. Passenger's big hit was six years ago, surely this vocal style can't stay much longer. The 'shit trend' us old people are going to be annoyed with in the coming years is probably post-Gangnam Style K-Pop.

That stunningly bad recent Diplo/Sia/Labrinth song is the first thing I thought of re this thread.

I came into this thread expecting to learn about a bizarre theme of coprophilia appearing throughout the Hot 100... imagine my disappointment to discover the truth.

there was an "eat the booty like groceries" line hopping around rap and r&b a few years ago

I have been waiting for rock to die since the mid 90s.

I can’t believe that reggaeton has become more forward thinking than mainstream rock which has found comfort in not doing anything that feels remotely original for almost three decades.

but what is mainstream rock these days? lots of people complaining about it and yet I don't really hear any on my travels? apart from when they leave Radio X on in the work kitchen, which is all Foo Fighters and Biffy Clyro, but that barely counts as new music ?

Tell me with a straight face this isn’t the most depressive billboard list of the decade:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Mainstream_Rock_number-one_songs_of_the_2010s

it's been decades since the best or most interesting rock music was accurately captured in a billboard modern rock chart.

And the “rock” list is equally laughable:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_Billboard_Rock_Songs

But that mainstream rock list gives me shivers, had to recheck if the year for those songs was wrong. Poor genre has been trapped in a loop. I’ll take terrible trends over not following a trend at all and being trapped in that graveyard.

it's been decades since the best or most interesting rock music was accurately captured in a billboard modern rock chart.

― voodoo chili

I’m not talking about what’s going on in the underground or the indie scene. This thread is about the mainstream. What would be the biggest rock bands that weren’t popular in the 90’s nowadays? Imagine Dragons, 21 pilots, Black Keys? I’ll take the current trend of trap and reggaeton over those ay day.

This ‘current’ trend of trap and reggaeton as mainstream chart music is also nearing the end of its second decade on top, not looking particularly fresh.

As someone who started listening to reggaeton in 2003 (and I realize that makes me a relative latecomer), I'm genuinely curious what is "forward thinking" about the genre in 2018. I guess if you could explain that, I might be better able to follow your argument.

progress in music is an illusion put in place to sell garbage

Totally. There's a clear continuum between the Seikilos Epitaph and 'Girls Like You'.

This isn't me actively defending reggaeton, I'm rather attacking rock which seems to only exist in a vacuum of self-congratulatory gatekeeping and revivals.

The style of reggaeton from 2003 made popular by Daddy Yankee and Don Omar (reggaeton subgenres known as Romantiqueo or Perre) is decidedly different from what J Balvin or Maluma have been making which could be classified as Reggaeton Pop which keeps feedbacking on trends and styles in pop music - in the middle of both styles you get Ozuna. Taki taki is closer to the old style, but listen to 'siguelo bailando' by him ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvpd9_5vuks ). It's still based on the dembow beat but the sound design marks an evolution into reggaeton pop.

Reggaeton is extremely limited, a genre based almost entirely on the dembow beat but unlike rock it keeps reaching out into other trends. While it maybe felt like a novelty in the US/Europe 15+ years ago, it has already cemented into global culture and this will only mean the genre will move forward and out of latinamerica, the next reggaeton star and subgenre could come from korea for all I know.

Personally I'd love if there was some growth in the lyrics section, the underground scene is more involved in pointing out socioeconomic issues and I don't think since Calle 13 there has been a mainstream reggaeton act with lyrics as thought inducing and confrontational as them.

Yeah, very cool, an established genre that didn’t originate in North America or Europe manages to get a foothold in the US/UK charts like it has in large parts of the rest of the world, and now it’s the “shittest trend” in pop music since “Happy”.

Is there a thread for worst thread titles? Feels like I time-travelled to 2001 ILM.

I listened to pop radio for the first time in awhile the other day, and it seems the shit trend is dudes with little boy voices emoting over acoustic guitars.

this always happens in Mourinho's third season

xps I think it's less a problem with reggaeton as a genre (which is generally decent music) and more how so many mainstream popstars are doing a very bland imitation of it, not because they're inspired by it, more that it's just what one does of one is a popstar right now

Little Mix having a reggaeton single a wee while back just seemed like inauthentic and off-brand bandwagon-chasing, I'm all for non-English music to be internationally huge but there's an insincerity to the moves made by a lot of popstars when they pivot to on-trend sounds and styles

crazy frog was good

utterly baffling to me to criticize entire genres of music for not "developing" enough or whatever - like every form of music must constantly be being transformed into some *other* form of music or it isn't valid - I just don't relate to music in that way.

while plenty of pop music today is mediocre as it always has been, i'm not sure there are any pop trends i'm actually annoyed by lately beyond some of the bizarre vocal affectations that have clearly taken a strong hold

Oh noes, “insincerity” in pop music(??)

boxedjoy's nailed it really. it might be UK perspective here. The only reggaeton most people know are Gasolina, the Bieber version of Despacito, Little Mix and maybe a couple of other, washier, Despacito soundalikes that got covered on the 'Latin' edition of X Factor

Speaking of which, Olatunji, the star of afrosoca, a modern day legend in Trinidad, is now a contestant on X Factor. Fair play that he's bringing soca music to mainstream audiences, but so far they've had him performing a crappy electro-swing crossover tune and a cover of Mambo No 5. It's about as starchy and primetime as they could possibly make it.

But yes, that's pop TV for you of course, what do I expect?

Yes, artists will jump on bandwagons, and the Little Mix track is a good example of this. “Taki Taki” is a very bad example though. That beat is legit good, Ozuna is in his element, and both Cardi B (who has dueted with Ozuna before, in Spanish!) and Selena Gomez, with their Hispanic/Latin roots, are not exactly clueless participants.

Of course it’s also a “cynical” pop move, people want to have hits. And DJ Snake has built his career on other people’s work (he recently released Niniola’s African megahit “Maradona” basically unchanged under his own name). Like I said when I posted “Taki Taki” on the Rolling Pop thread, I don’t know where he got this beat from (for all I know, he might have bought it from Afro Boys, the Dutch production team that produced Nicky Jam & J Balvin’s smash “X” from earlier this year - proving Moka’s point about how far reggaeton has branched out internationally), but he absolutely nailed it. Describing it as “very bland” or “watered-down” seems spectacularly off the mark.

Anyway, I’m going back to rinsing Lalo Ebratt’s “Mocca” - both versions!

okay Taki Taki wasn't a good example to use. you can hardly call it watered down

"insincerity" is probably not the right word for me to use - I'm not sure what is though. Pop is performance and doesn't have to be authentic to be good. Perhaps a better term is "unconvincing" - in the Little Mix example, they hadn't really done anything massively similar before or since (as far as I know, at least) and it didn't seem a natural or obvious step for them, but it also didn't seem like an astonishing leap of skill and talent and imagination. It literally just sounded like and felt like someone in an office saying "reggaeton is big, maybe we can get the girls involved in that"

You can make a cynical cash-in and it still be really good, but if it isn't up to standard then it just seems so hollow and forced. In pop, nobody wants to see the cogs in the machinery at work without being awed.

yeah Cardi has stated she listens to mostly spanish music and not rap, and that she has previously aimed to do a spanish version of bodak yellow (name of song escapes me, but not taki taki)

Britishers would recall Pixie Lott, who started out in the Duffy/Winehouse mould of vaguely retro pop, then following up her debut album with really uninspired and cheap-sounding EDM-pop about dancing in clubs. Not that she was ever a great popstar but something like "All About Tonight" or "Kiss The Stars" had a real air of will-this-do desperate cynicism. And then not too long ago she was dancing awkwardly on Saturday morning shows with grime rappers.

The question is maybe not around the trends themselves, but the popstars who pursue them and fail. Because when they succeed, it doesnt feel like a trend being chased.

xps So the actual “shit trend” in pop music right now is Little Mix doing a bit of reggaeton and the UK not getting Latin music? Lock thread, I guess.

...or maybe we could rename it to “Some pop music is actually shit, and other eye-openers”.

that last comment makes me think of nelly furtado, whose arguably trend-hopping self-reinvention for loose ended up being one of the biggest things of that year and totally blotted out most people's memories of her previous efforts at making it big. so she basically just seemed like a major new hitmaker, not someone following a trend. but there must be other people who tried to leap into cutting-edge club music (even if they couldn't get timbaland) who fell flat on their faces and were seen as hapless trend-followers.

i think thinking in terms of a "shit trend" sort of dooms the discussion if we really are interested in trends and the decisions made on adapting to them/jumping on them/starting them/whatever. and if we're just listing trends we thought of as shitty it's pretty well-trodden ground. maybe a middle ground would be, what causes trends to get viewed as shitty ones rather than good ones? obviously if you don't like nu-metal you think of nu-metal as a shitty trend but are there meta-features? like, for example, a trend is more likely to end up being viewed by some as shitty if it involves one or two really obvious easily copyable elements like the OHHHH vocals or the sharp female "hey!" of recent years... or looking back, grocery-bag rhymes circa 2011, fake telephone filter and gratuitous turntable in '99, pixies/nirvana loud-soft dynamics in '93, or booming gated drums in the late 80s..... if audiences really are eating it up for a year or two, then it's easy to see how people throw those features into otherwise not-that-great-songs and achieve hits that a short time later feel a bit hollow and signal a trend decline.

What's the idea behind this thread exactly ? Theorizing your yells ?

― Nabozo, Friday, January 4, 2019 11:50 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you called

Flopsy, If you can bear to watch to the end of the response video you'll see that the reason it's needed is that the original video poster has more than 2 million subscribers, so it is a bit important if he is spreading bullshit.

I think to answer your original question you really need to ask yourself.

I figured it out. Why I don't like modern music. (you can't see it but I had an epiphany).

Modern music has abandoned my idea of cool by distancing itself from the past. There is a newer kind of cool, but until I see it and embrace it, most all of new stuff will sound like shit.

I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded.

If only 'millennial cool' could make itself apparent to me. I don't know how I'm supposed to lift the veil when what is cool today seems like a direct contradiction to what I believe is cool.

To theorize:
A=old cool & !A=new cool

xp

"the reason (the response video) is needed"

but is it though?

I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded I have finally opened up to the possibility that I'm close-minded

But have you opened up to the possibility that you are dick because you harbor a hatred of yourself?

Ugh I want those 10 minutes of my life back, he argues that modern pop music places the hook earlier in the song due to short attention spans fueled by ipods yet he defends 60’s pop!? The most popular Beatles songs all have their hooks in the first 20/30 seconds of the songs or in the intro. This has nothing to do with pleasuring the milennials ffs.

Did pop had better lyrics in the 60’s than pop from this decade? I can cherrypick mind numbing stupid lyrics from huge hits of any decade and make that argument.

The only point that may have some foundation is the “timbre” one, instead of using studios with actual instruments technology allows the trend of creating music from your laptop with synths and samples and those who do use instruments tend to be more lo-fi than in previous decades. That’s not a tech limitation though, maybe an economic one... established mainstream acts may still get the full thing and it sounds better than anything from previous decades regardless of your opinion on its content.

I've known a couple of classical or jazz guys who hold a similar low opinion of the Beatles' musicianship, even if they give them credit as composers/songwriters. Still seems nuts to me tbh.

I'm sure there's plenty who don't give them credit as composers/songwriters either.

If the guy just said "look, there's a lot of commercial music that is designed in the same way a corporation designs a mass market snack food" I would agree. But that's about it.

I've known a couple of classical or jazz guys who hold a similar low opinion of the Beatles' musicianship, even if they give them credit as composers/songwriters. Still seems nuts to me tbh.

Isn't this a case of guys for whom chops are an end in themselves vs. guys who are only interested in acquiring the chops necessary to convey their songwriting ideas?

I think it’s possible to think the Beatles didn’t have great chops and not fetishize chops as an end unto themselves although you are probably missing the point of the Beatles

This is a terribly conceived thread

Yeah, these guys (and the two I have in mind are both musicians and were both my colleagues) don't just see chops as an end unto themselves. I'm not talking about shredders. The Beatles' chops never struck me as lacking, though. xp

There's probably a big racial factor in Quincy's opinion, like how aggravating would it be to have the composing and arranging skills he has (and the session jazz guys he was down with) and then see the Beatles endlessly praised as the boy geniuses that somehow made pop music "sophisticated" in 1967 when they dropped acid

all the beatles had chops, but only paul's bass chops rivaled any of the guys that quincy might've worked with tho.

This is a terribly conceived thread

all the beatles had chops, but only paul's bass chops rivaled any of the guys that quincy might've worked with tho.

― bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Friday, 4 January 2019 21:24 (three minutes ago) Permalink

Exactly. Real players. Like Stephen Stills.

"I also remember Stephen buying a Precision bass for Paul McCartney and telling him it was time to start playing a ‘real’ instrument and not his old Höfner."-Graham Nash

That’s what makes it so compelling.

You wish

fwiw I only mentioned the Quincy Jones bit because of the "no one knows how to play instruments" thing

I mean I guess people could be posting here not because they feel compelled to but because their bodies have been hijacked by our government through computer chips that.... this sentence is too shitty to even finish

Grimes, "We Appreciate Power" (2018)

found a piece of confetti on my foot and my genuine, initial reaction was “oh wow, someone must’ve installed this chip in me while i was asleep last night”. happy new year !

— Ariana Grande (@ArianaGrande) January 1, 2019

Stephen Stills invented jazz and wearing football jerseys

Pop singles were fire in 2018.
Radio was not fire.

Okay this was like 600 points ago, and feel free to continue your discussion uninterrupted by my comment on it, but was someone in here really predicting that the replacement for Imagine Dragons sorta-rock as the “shit trend” on pop radio would be a Kpop crossover
Like, putting aside the question of how those two even map onto each other (or whether the former is primarily of annoyance to “old people” when the better part of this thread has now been spent trying to talk a RYM user down from the ledge of that “millennial whoop” video), I would gladly make that trade right this second if it were up to me

God I don't know if I can get through that response video. Over analyzing something that bugs you and and putting in several hours to create a response can't be healthy.

― (V) (;,,;) (V) (FlopsyDuck)

you know what i like most about you, flopsyduck? your apparently complete and total obliviousness to irony

if you read on you will see that I saw the irony and flipped that post on its head

But i do like to feel liked every once in a while