"It's over, nobody listens to techno!" – Eminem Vs. Moby

That’s a terrible opinion

Moby was amazing at times:

https://youtu.be/DiKKYHH4ilo

Also:

https://youtu.be/W2zZMiBlQSI

a friend claimed to me that a friend claimed to him that when she went out with moby he spent the entire time describing "his ideas for how boggle could be modified to make it a better game"

Is this about who had a more rotten personality? Let me get this straight, among other things:

Eminem: regularly insulted his on again off again wife in the press, joked about beating her up and killing her, and then wrote a song about her where he did exactly that.

Moby: acted like an entitled dick towards people,sometimes.

Moby's bio was amazing too. FWIW, two years after "See the Lights", he became an alcoholic and went back to partying with his band every night, in case anyone is seriously hung up about that aspect of his personality.

Eminem doesn't have anything that touches "We Are All Made of Stars," so Moby.

Come on mane, "Stan" pisses on that song from a great height

I agree about how he's only bearable in small doses but six or seven songs which represent Em at the height of his powers as a writer which I suspect will still sound amazing for many more years

I'm not a fan of either (although I did like Moby's Animal Rights back in the day) so this would basically be "TS: Go vs. Stan", except Without Me is one of my least-favourite songs of all time so Moby wins by default.

when I say I'd take Moby's music over Em's it's cuz I'm old, not because it's better (although I really do like EIR/Play/18)

i haven't paid really any attention to anything moby has done since play but everything is wrong is an important record for me personally and i'll always love it deeply

even at his best eminem is annoying

a friend claimed to me that a friend claimed to him that when she went out with moby he spent the entire time describing "his ideas for how boggle could be modified to make it a better game"

Definitely voting Moby now.

Moby was amazing at times:

https://youtu.be/DiKKYHH4ilo

― Tim F, Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:10 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also:

https://youtu.be/W2zZMiBlQSI

― Tim F, Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:14 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea these are so good

also "feeling so real" & "everytime you touch me" are so exhilarating & fun

yea Moby has more tunes I like than Eminem, who even at his peak was doing stuff like basing entire songs off the Mr. Mackey voice. and while Moby is clearly kind of dickish (though he's probably mellowed in the last 25 years), Eminem strikes me a legitimately bad person

all these stories that moby was a shit are from a long time ago.

are there more recent examples that he is still an arrogant sod, or, has he realised the errors of his ways and grown up.

I still listen to his 'destroyed' album a lot (no guest vocalists, late night lonely ambi-techno).

of course I voted moby as I never really enjoyed Eminem even at the height of his skills.

I tried to find the techno track that sampled the "nobody listens to techno" line, either the one I found was a different track or it's much worse than I remembered.

most dated line in "the real slim shady"

after this song came out moby did an interview with mtv defending himself saying "i haven't put out a techno record in ten years, maybe more" and you can feel him pushing imaginary glasses up his nose as he's saying it

for that i'm voting moby

That’s a terrible opinion

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, October 31, 2018 11:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's a really good beat though.

lol I wonder if back in 1999 the 1981 shooting of Jim Brady was something a bunch of 14 year olds were hip to

I like a couple early Em songs and productions, including "Renegade," and still listen to early Moby, including the first album and the Move EP, to me his most sustained work.

after this song came out moby did an interview with mtv defending himself saying "i haven't put out a techno record in ten years, maybe more" and you can feel him pushing imaginary glasses up his nose as he's saying it

for that i'm voting moby

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2018 1:51 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is appropriate, however also IMO the best thing about "nobody listens to techno" as a line is how little Eminem knew or cared what Moby actually sounded like.

That song above, used in a 2016 comic book movie that grossed $325 million dollars and aimed at kids born when the song came out, has references to Tom Green, Lynne Chaney, Malcolm McLaren

I also don't remember McLaren being a big topic of interest around the turn of the millennium

Moby. Eminem at his self-absorbed worst (coupled with that delivery) is totally repellent

still laughing at the idea of Eminem calling out Edgar Froese

(ok that Unloved Symphony is pretty great, also I will admit that I like 'Thousand' too)

it's over, nobody listens to ed froese

Eminem at his self-absorbed worst (coupled with that delivery) is totally repellent

good Moby content imo: https://www.gimletmedia.com/heavyweight/2-gregor

Eminem was incredibly talented but his music expressed feelings and ideas (and prejudices) I don’t enjoy engaging with so I’ve spent very little time with his music. To the contrary, the one moby album I had in high school, Play, got a lot of spins and I have positive feelings toward it.

I must've been one of the only people who bought it for "Bodyrock", assuming that Moby was a dude in the vein of the Chemical Brothers/Fatboy Slim/Lo-Fidelity All-Stars

still liked the album, though it took a while. It's embedded in my memory to a pretty significant degree - every time I hear it, it's like I'm delivering papers again

did moby ever find out why his soul felt so bad

all the supermodels in nyc like his music but they don't want to hang out tbf

was gonna vote for eminem anyway, but wanted to say that i reeeeallly hate natural blues

i really liked it when it came out but nowadays i find most of play to be unlistenable

all the best moby is 95 or earlier imo

I remember buying Animal Rights when it came out and being very "..." about the change in direction. However it came with a bonus disc "Little Idiot" which was basically my introduction to ambient music as a full-fledged concept. Its uneventfulness seemed quite radical to 14 yr old me, though listening back on youtube it now sounds like an occasionally heavyhanded Kompakt Pop Ambient album.

Indeed something about Moby's (90s) melodic heavy-handedness generally feels both dated in a way a lot of 90s dance music doesn't and is also kinda loveable? He feels like the only dance music "star" who really embodied (or purported to embody) PLUR.

e.g. check "Into The Blue (Spiritual Mix)" or "Hymn (European Mix)". These feel like the kind of techno tracks you'd hear on compilations of dubious origins featuring no artist names and tacky computer graphic covers and called 'Cosmic Techno' or similar. Of the former, a commenter on discogs.com notes enticingly, "In Italy this record has quite high valuations."

The "problem" for 90s Moby is that once you get past the stylistic diversity, the majority of tracks are very much "now watch me do (x) sub-genre", and pretty much every thing he tried his hand at was done at least a bit better by someone else - "Feeling So Real" is A- happy hardcore (Westbam remix probably takes it to an A), "Everytime You Touch Me" is A- handbag house and so on. The Move EP is the one time he felt like he was truly operating above journeyman status.

all of the Tom Green/Eminem/Moby junk only makes sense when viewed through the lens of late 90s MTV and, even at that time, was such a weird microcosm of Total Request Live

the implication was that Eminem was sitting around every day getting angry that boy bands, Britney Spears, and a music video by a guy on MTV were beating him on a call-in music video request show and he actually made songs and videos referencing all of the meta-culture of the show in order to tweak the scales

The "problem" for 90s Moby is that once you get past the stylistic diversity, the majority of tracks are very much "now watch me do (x) sub-genre", and pretty much every thing he tried his hand at was done at least a bit better by someone else - "Feeling So Real" is A- happy hardcore (Westbam remix probably takes it to an A), "Everytime You Touch Me" is A- handbag house and so on. The Move EP is the one time he felt like he was truly operating above journeyman status.

I agree. I was there at the time, and watching SPIN, Village Voice, etc go mad over the pleasant and occasionally worthwhile EIW confused me.

10 in SPIN iirc

"a skit where the members of Insane Clown Posse blow someone"

I gotta say that I go out of my way to listen to this occasionally: never fails to make me laff…

doesn't it seem that MM would have an appreciation for techno, being that he's been a creature of Detroit his whole life? Or is that like saying that a kid in Staten Island in 1979 would have necessarily been immersed in in No wave?

as a teenager in ohio who had never heard of happy hardcore or handbag house those moby tunes were revelations for me tbh

ndeed something about Moby's (90s) melodic heavy-handedness generally feels both dated in a way a lot of 90s dance music doesn't and is also kinda loveable? He feels like the only dance music "star" who really embodied (or purported to embody) PLUR.

yes totally, moby did seem like he was more connected to the idealist values of rave culture than most of the other names who blew up in the late 90s electronica mainstream

These feel like the kind of techno tracks you'd hear on compilations of dubious origins featuring no artist names and tacky computer graphic covers and called 'Cosmic Techno' or similar. Of the former, a commenter on discogs.com notes enticingly, "In Italy this record has quite high valuations."

ha otm and i think i went out and bought tons of these compilations after first hearing EIW and the 1992 s/t record. some of them were quite good

eminem has sucked for years, some of his old stuff doesn't hold up very well at all, and he is very annoying, but he never wrote this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/food-stamps-shouldnt-pay-for-junk-1523315448

gotta vote eminem

Eminem doesn't have anything that touches "We Are All Made of Stars," so Moby.

Come on mane, "Stan" pisses on that song from a great height

― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:55 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Stan is great, so are most of the 99-02 singles, but "We Are All Made of Stars" is pop perfection! Classic video, too.

Most of the Eminem and Moby output from ca. 1993 to 2001 still rocks to me

we are all made of stans

who would you rather house-sit for, or have house-sit for you?

by all accounts moby is a huge asshole interpersonally so i would NOT want to house-sit for him since he'd probably be a real dick about a bunch of little things. if i didn't have to interact with him much i could imagine him house-sitting for me, feel like you could reliably get him to feed the cats and such.

you fucking rubes voting for moby

“Go”, my man

https://www.scaruffi.com/music/techno.html

picturing a Scaruffi reverently listening to "Drop A Beat"

by all accounts this guy is a scum/douchebag, fuck him

They've always both been terrible, and they've aged equally terribly.

In other words, I was wrong upthread.

no, the Long Ambients are good, and I checked last night & Next Is The E still goes

we don't really need to be discussing this douchecanoe nonsense on two threads though

The more pressing reason I was wrong was that no one listening to Eminem thought it or he was good for them. Moby's liner notes, otoh...

xp What’s the other thread? I try to avoid that faux pas...

it has the word “Moby” in the title

This is the only active such thread

ILE, yo: Moby is a dork

Yeah, I don’t look at that.

worth running a quick ctrl+f on SNA

I’d rather stick to one messageboard. Why have other boards at all, if ILE preempts and supersedes them?

(Give me some credit, I bookmarked and use the ILE “Damon Lindelof’s Watchmen” thread, after being told the ILC “Watchmen” thread wasn’t the right place to discuss it.)

tbh you should have started a thread on I Love Books to talk about Moby's book

Someone should! Without fear of being redirected to ILM or ILE, lol