"It's over, nobody listens to techno!" – Eminem Vs. Moby

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(okay, I may have read your comment incorrectly--did you mean that these "bad faith arguments" were taking place on ILM as well?)

Buy all 3 volumes of Welcome to Paradise.

i really like early moby, by the time eminem was dissing him he was a total hack though

we are all made of stars is cool i guess?? idk why ppl are acting like its better than anything eminem ever did though

"We Are All Made Of Stars" is just the recycled chord progression from "Help Me To Believe," right down to the one-chord "verse"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E9D4P3GUkU

Bottom line is both made some great records and a lot of dross, I like Em's high points better I think but I don't care much either way.

did you mean that these "bad faith arguments" were taking place on ILM as well?

yes

Ah! Thanks, and sorry for reading you wrong.

"we're all made of stars" sucked wtf

Was just exploring what Moby's been up to since Play, and boy, doesn't Pitchfork like to use him as some kind of punching bag:

• Everything Was Beautiful, and Nothing Hurt (2018) - 5.7
• These Systems Are Failing (2016) - 4.0
• Destroyed (2011) - 3.8
• Wait For Me (2009) - 5.4
• Last Night (2008) - 5.2
• Hotel (2005) - 2.4
• 18 (2002) - 2.6
• Play (1999) - 5.0

We Are All Made of Stars sounded awesome when I first heard it.....then I saw 18 getting pretty horrible reviews

the song it reminds me the most of is "Heroes". which I had not heard at the time

Chipmunk on crack vs nice backround music.

i prefer crackground music

Listening to any Moby produced after 1994 is a bad idea.

I had my first edibles last year while listening to Moby's recent Lost Ambients and highly recommend the two together.

er, make that Long Ambients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxzXcJKIFoM

Listening to any Moby produced after 1994 is a bad idea.

― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:28 PM

we are all made of blahs

Play is so good and even some of the B-sides jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2V9Bu80J4

god that is so fuckin bad

the other thing taht sucks about play is that it ruined some of those lomax recordings for me

I tried to find the techno track that sampled the "nobody listens to techno" line, either the one I found was a different track or it's much worse than I remembered.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:44 PM (six hours ago)

The good one is Size Triple D (=Danny Howell & Deep Dish) Techno.

https://www.discogs.com/Size-Triple-D-Techno/release/154120

It’s too long and way overplayed at the time, but it’s a banger.

Also cool that Tim F upthread reps the Move EP, I got that at the time and was floored, I thought the guy was just a Twin Peaks theme looping one hit wonder hack from a few years back, and I immediately started seeking out all his other stuff. None of it was nearly as good, and it turned out he really was a hack. His ambient stuff I rate though, simple but effective.

Eminem though, fuck he’s really gone to extraordinary lengths to paint himself as a total asshat, going through the whole effort of writing a whole album just to bitch about how critics didn’t like his previous (shit) one is beyond parody for 2018 Eminem.

Long Ambients is good but unremarkable imo

I hate this thread for getting Without Me stuck in my head when I see the title, a song that I haven't thought about in so many years.

the other thing taht sucks about play is that it ruined some of those lomax recordings for me

― marcos, Thursday, November 1, 2018 8:08 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suddenly remembered the talk on an older thread about how Moby got the samples from a copy of Sounds of the South which he'd borrowed from a friend and never given back, what a cheap move, kind of wish I'd voted for Eminem now.

see that podcast I posted above, it's pretty great

Oh cool, thanks - bookmarked it!

Good thread premise. I don't have much to add, though, as my feelings towards both have always been fairly neutral.

why aren't there any techno/ambient diss tracks

Skit Ambients 1

Y Tu Mambients

without me still slaps

Yeah I'm not much of an MM fan, but I gotta say I do like that single.

"Stan" felt huge at the time but in hindsight feels kinda gross, albeit a good song.

I suppose I could say the same for "Porcelain."

I also love how SPIN put "Play" at a ridiculously high placing in their "top albums of the '90s" list less than a month after its release.

Play is so good and even some of the B-sides jam

I agree with this. Pulled out the two-disc set this week, which inspired the poll. Say what you want, but I think it holds up extremely well.

"We Are All Made Of Stars" is just the recycled chord progression from "Help Me To Believe," right down to the one-chord "verse"

loool

what have we done...

https://tvweb.com/the-tom-green-show-revival-new-network-details/

I always love it when Porcelain comes on in my yoga class, it helps me focus on and then release all this strife I have internalized concerning the validity of techno

http://moby.com/news/vote-for-moby-on-trl/

Today, we are trying to put together a real push to get “”South Side”” on TRL. Please help us try to put just one more boy band into retirement for the sake of good music.

Vote for Moby by calling 1-800-DIAL-MTV between 3 and 3:30pm EST or by sending your votes by going to mtv.com’s TRL page.

moby and eminem basically had the same stance about pop culture relevance but eminem had more of a sense of humor about it

I’ll take Max Martin’s worst over south side for the sake of good music.

https://webmshare.com/play/5B5MK

I feel like Eminem would be vindicated in retrospect if he'd said nobody listens to "electronica"

I suddenly remembered the talk on an older thread about how Moby got the samples from a copy of Sounds of the South which he'd borrowed from a friend and never given back, what a cheap move, kind of wish I'd voted for Eminem now.

― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:45 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lmao

I still find it funny that Eminem, who made Detroit a major part of his image, wrote a lyric that claimed nobody listened to techno described Moby as techno.

Eminem also made ignorance a big part of his brand.

yeah, the reason I found it funny was that Eminem clearly didn't give a fuck what kind of music Moby actually made

It was even more ironic that just around that time 'proper' techno was just having its huge resurgence.

I’m on the fence on this one. Neither of them seem like people I would like to hang out with, but I decidedly dislike Moby more as a person.

However I’m being unfair since I don’t know them at all in person and that’s just based on perceptions about them...
closest thing I can compare them to is their fans... Eminem fans from back then in the late 90s/early 00s felt decidedly worse than Moby fans... although come to think about it I don’t think I even know any Moby fans in real life. Moby’s greatest fans seemed to be corporations who were selling their shit to the beat of his music. If that’s the case then Moby fans are worse than Eminem’s.

At one point I believe it was the album with the most licensed songs in history, it might as well still be. Some of them got licensed for several products at the same time. I swear “Porcelain” was used in at least four different ads that year.

And yet the question is not about the artists or their fans, it’s about their music. I have no idea tbh, they both feel uncool and overplayed as hell to me. Still it’s evident that Eminem is on another level and can be considered a zeitgeist-y, timeless artist in a way that Moby just isn’t. I guess he can always boast about being the biggest sellout in the music business.

yeah, the reason I found it funny was that Eminem clearly didn't give a fuck what kind of music Moby actually made

Exactly, that’s why it’s a great line; he doesn’t even give Moby the respect of referring to his music “properly” (or w/e).