POLLercoaster Ride - ILM Artist Poll #94 - Belle and Sebastian - Discussion/Campaigning Thread

have relistened to the albums through Fold Your Hands and the first three EPs so far

the most indelible track of these records, for me, is still the title track on If You're Feeling Sinister

not sure it's their best but it's the one that's still stuck in my head 20+ years later

The incidental playground noises somehow boost it to a whole other level.

I know for me it’s all nostalgia, can't really be objective, but in the 7 releases I’ve revisited so far I'm not sure there’s one I like better - although The State I’m In, The Rollercoaster Ride, Stars of Track and Field, Lazy Line Painter Jane, The Boy With the Arab Strap are all close seconds

listening to it again The Rollercoaster Ride reminds me a little of the hushed harmonies of Yo La Tengo

I remember thinking at the time DCW was a new beginning for them, but that was the point I lost touch

looking forward hearing it again

That slow version of "Seeing Other People" is interesting. The limitations of their singing are really on stark display, but it's still so endearing.
I don't know if this is what fgti was referring to upthread as "slack", but if so, it was a key element of their early appeal. Combine this with their mysteriousness in the pre-napster era, and it really did feel like some kind of private club.

Boring administration note: if folks wish to enter a unranked ballot of n < 30 selections (I've received some already), I think I'll use the average value of the first nth places listed in the original post (rounded down) for each selection. eg. 25 each for an unranked 15.

I don't wish to actively encourage this, tbh, as I'm lazy, but this seems fairer than using the flat 17 points mentioned up top for every situation.

So. Am I being stupid? Can someone tell me (and her) - how did Lazy Line Painter Jane get her name?

It’s a good question. I think the lyric refers to her just as ‘lazy jane’ before the ‘wondering how you got your name’ bit so maybe when it comes to her wondering, there’s no ‘line painter’ about it.

The video has her making mischief with a number of lines, starting with a Stevie Jackson’s yellow line painting in the road but who knows if all that was in SM’s mind when he wrote it.

I think LLPJ was the first B&S song I heard and I said something like “take this off; it sounds like Deacon Blue”

She is also, in SM's mind, 'Painter Jane', as noted in the sleeve notes (see the column to the right here), not just 'Lazy Jane'.

Latest in my "discoveries":

The first B&S release I didn't buy was the Step Into My Office Baby single. Only now do I find the absolute gem Desperation Made A Fool Of Me hidden away on the B-side. Can I squeeze this on?

you definitely should

I've been a good citizen and sent a ballot with 30 tracks :)

managed to narrow it down to 30 tracks, now comes the hard part

Man, the last quarter-or-so of Push Barman is a SLOG. Except for the hilarious “I Love My Car.”
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:20 PM (six days ago)

only ever listened to these tracks in the context of the EPs, but I see that the last quarter of Push Barman also includes Jonathan David, Take Your Carriage Clock and Shove It, The Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner, and I’m Waking Up to Us.

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Jonathan David tuneless???
― brimstead, Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:05 PM (six days ago) 
If anything it has too much tune
― brimstead, Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:05 PM (six days ago)

ha ha. this is one of my favorite B&S songs. all three tracks on this record are nice

I’m Waking Up to Us is another one with a surfeit of chord changes

think Chinaski's Cat Stevens comparison for that one is right

ha ha. this is one of my favorite B&S songs. all three tracks on this record are nice

Bless. You better vote. :)

In other news...
Updated Fun Fact: 102 different tracks have now received votes.

This is tough.. I haven’t even gotten to their last couple records yet. But general consensus says they’ve been coasting since Life Pursuit. Gonna struggle through.

That stretch from “Expectations” to “I Could be Dreaming” on Tigermilk is an absolute murderer’s row.

"coasting since Life Pursuit" is absolutely not accurate

Write About Love and How To Solve Our Human Problems are pretty inconsistent but have some all-time highs in "I Didn't See It Coming" and "Sweet Dew Lee", listen to those two songs at the very least, and Girls in Peacetime is very solid, I easily prefer it to The Life Pursuit

"Coasting" probably isn't accurate, but I bet the poll results will show that most of the songs that resonate with fans happened before that. There are still some really well-written songs, but they're more of a fungible commodity in the post-Life-Pursuit era. That said, don't skip on checking out "Everything is now (part 2)".

Also, maybe it's just me, but I don't think that a single run through an album would give me a clear picture... my favorite tracks often end up being different than the ones I liked on the first pass.
(disclaimer: the first time I heard "The Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner" I loved it immediately and haven't revised that opinion. so i guess sometimes it is dead obvious.)

I bet the poll results will show that most of the songs that resonate with fans happened before that.

Sure, but it's always pretty much impossible to tell whether this is just because those are the songs we heard when it was new and we were receptive, or some intrinsic quality in the songs. Can we please be objective? No, ha ha.

That said, don't skip on checking out "Everything is now (part 2)".

Yep – that and Fickle Season have found their way on to this old timer's ballot.

"Same Star" is my fave from those EPs, but I need to give em another crack before I vote.

Finished the discography now and beginning a final run-through before submission.

Girls in Peacetime really is terrific, so full of ideas - and good ones too - think it will find a place on my LPs ballot for sure.

Not impressed with How to Solve Our Human Problems though. Some tracks are quite novel-sounding, Cornflake in particular is one of the most unsettling, discordant things they've ever done, but it still sounds half-baked, just a seed that could possibly grow into something better. Other stuff - most of the third EP and Too Many Tears in particular - have this slick, characterless production which sucks all the life out of the songs, it's like the opposite of the church hall atmosphere they evoked early on.

"Same Star" is my fave from those EPs, but I need to give em another crack before I vote.

― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, December 4, 2018 7:36 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm but again i love sarah martin

God damn I love the horn noodling in "I love my car"

I plan on voting in this, want to hear everything again first

feels like I could fill up a ballot with just the first and last tracks and title tracks from albums/EPs, so many of them are all-time great

Was reading this nytimes profile - learned that he credits a faith healer for part of his recovery, also that “Take Your Carriage Clock” was about Isobel?

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/magazine/28Murdoch-t.html

― JoeStork, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:08 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Forgot to say, thanks for this, led me down quite the rabbit hole of interviews. Think there could be a very good book (which probably shouldn't be written) about Stuart and Isobel's relationship and how it was reflected in the group's music from day one.

It'll be on the West End Stage before the decade is out.

I feel a bit bad for not including any Isobel songs in my ballot as I'm fond of It Wicked Not to Care? and Family Twee, but seeing as I've just shoved out Slow Graffiti it's a cruel world.

Talking of non-Stuart songs, my relistening has given me new respect for Chickfactor. I always dismissed it as a cringeworthy wide-eyed ‘wow, America’s so cool’ what i did on my holidays but now I hear it as an effective psychological portrait of feeling disoriented by keeping life back home in mind.

As long as he doesn't direct a film about it. (xp)

voted, ended up with the entirety of IYFS in my top 30, that album is just too solid

I had two IYFS tracks in my 30, one only just made it. Four Tigermilk tracks in my top ten.

My first Tigermilk track comes after 6 IYFS tracks.

Submitted!

Some perhaps slept-on tracks to consider (or which at least don't seem to have been discussed here) - Expectations from Tigermilk (obvious one, but I fear it might get left out), title track of Dear Catastrophe Waitress, Black and White Unite from Storytelling, and Suicide Girl, which is a bonus track from Write About Love.

Might throw a vote to the title track from "God Help the Girl." in its original recording from the pre-film album. Incredible string arrangement on that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAZOmYUh6wY

Reading that Times interview, this popped out:

“We lost a lot of the original fans when I stopped being miserable,” Murdoch told me recently.

But you know what? I never thought of this band as particularly miserable, certainly nowhere near the morose melancholia of Morrissey or especially Nick Drake (both referenced in the piece). There are definitely sad B&S songs, but the music is always so warm and welcoming and pretty that it's not exactly mired in misery. Stuff like (for example) Elliott Smith or Low, sure, I can see why people might be drawn to that music for its often strikingly raw bad vibes, but B&S to my ears has always been about as miserable as Vince Guaraldi's Peanuts theme.

I really like the title track of God Help the Girl, too. Couldn't squeeze it in, though.

How many ballots does it look like we might end up with?

Going through the catalogue has made me realise that I like Stuart's songs best when he sounds defeated, sad or just fatigued. I am a monster.

My ballot's in. Heavily weighted towards the early stuff, sorry. This poll made me listen to a lot of the last decade's material that I haven't really engaged with. And it's really good. But it just doesn't break through the wall of affection and awe I feel for the older records.

There are definitely sad B&S songs, but the music is always so warm and welcoming and pretty that it's not exactly mired in misery.

But maybe that's exactly the point, songs about joy and beauty are only truly compelling when the person writing and singing is secretly miserable

But maybe that's exactly the point, songs about joy and beauty are only truly compelling when the person writing and singing is secretly miserable

otm!! "i'm lucky i can open the door and i can walk down the street" set to the perkiest music imaginable

I had two IYFS tracks in my 30, one only just made it. Four Tigermilk tracks in my top ten.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:24 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same ratio, more spread out

the barman singles ran away with my tracks list ofc

It's funny how tracks creep up on you. A week ago I didn't think I was going to include Put the Book Back on the Shelf but now it's completely essential and top half. The Songs for Children bit definitely helps.

I've already submitted so please stop posting names of songs I couldn't fit on there, it hurts me