This is not good proof of your omniscience.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:37 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link
Nihilist Pop Star I dunno if that was for one, some or all of us on this thread which showed ilx at its worst, refusing to give a straight answer to somebody whose question was a fine, honest question, but either way, that's one awesome picture
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link
John, this is the same person who thinks he needs to know everything and anything about a genre before commenting on it properly and yet is more than happy to accuse you of knowing nothing about something if you happen to have general conclusions that don't match with his own. And yes, that includes assuming you haven't read something he has, because obviously only he knows about it and is more than happy to tell you at high volume if necessary. If arguing with Geir is like punching Jello, arguing with ddrake is like punching stinky Jello that complains about your sense of humor as well and then gets bitter and hides.
Ned is clearly someone who thinks he comprehends what I am saying without actually listening to what I am saying. "Cultural Context" = "Knowing everything about a genre"?"high volume"? We're on a message board. Congratulations, you have better hearing than I.Personal attack, comparison to the village idiot, hilarious.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:41 (twenty years ago) link
What a "rockist" perspective of literature! R Kelly is a pedophile, therefore I no longer can listen to the Ignition Remix.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:43 (twenty years ago) link
HAHAHA! You picked the wrong example there! But John can do the honors.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:43 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:44 (twenty years ago) link
Your relevence to this thread's discussion is nonexistent.Its like 5th grade again! Gang up on me and take my lunch money, please.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:44 (twenty years ago) link
again, not sure those really answer the question per se but are worth checking out. the only example of #1 i can think of at the moment is the roots, "water" off phrenology, which i think is consciously an evocation of prog in a hip hop context.
#2 i don't know of any off the top of my head but i would love to hear this attempted. why not?
#4 try digging into non-western hip hop, you're certain to hear some more unusual flows that way.
― rgeary (rgeary), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link
Fine, but that's a very arguable position - not one you can "Bam!" as though revealing the Truth From On High. I'd argue that context limits the capacity for insight, and a fair number of people who think about reading/interpretation would tend to agree.
Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link
cue Momus's entrance
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:47 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
Now please, say something relevant or shut up. :-)
James
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
So why when I argue this position am I met with comparisons to this Geir fellow? Who I felt like disembowling the moment I read his posts, incidently.
I didn't see that thread, but while I see yr point, I don't think that this is the case here. While Baraka may have become senile in his old age, and Blues People is not an airtight argument per se, it is one that deserves fair treatment. Judge it in the context of the WTC writing if you must, but keep in mind - different time, place, and completely different issue.I can't think of a musical example to compare it to, but let me put it this way: No matter how offensive this poem may be, it doesn't change the continued relevence of the work he has done in the past.
ie. if you got something to say fukker say it cuz you ain't said shit yet The irony!
Yeah, this board needs an edit button. Blow me.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
You have discovered the joy that is ddrake! Revel in his love for you, for without someone to demonize, he would not exist.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
Precisely.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:53 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
Because ddrake said so. (So okay, maybe entirely taking it back to him all the time isn't the best approach, but he likes the attention.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:55 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link
Ooh, an actual argument.
"academic posturing..." as if I've learned this in college. No, its impossible that these are my OWN ideas and from experience, I have come to these conclusions? Please, my black history professor freshman year was on tenure, I learned shit in that class. Ha.
Someone needs to ban the prefix "psuedo."Not bullshit. This is a serious argument I'm making, and I don't see why its necessary to belittle it with accusations of "psuedo-intellectualism." I wouldn't accuse INTENTIONAL race politics of coming into yr question, but rather culturally ingrained issues of race. I certainly wouldn't claim to be the all-knowledgeable god of hip hop, but man, discussing hip hop on ILM makes me want to hurl.
There's a difference between Sun Ra and Art Ensemble of Chicago and Anthony Braxton and Bill Evans (token white progressive dude) and ... Yes and Rush and Genesis. If you are looking for the Sun Ra/Art Ensemble/etc. artists, I'll tell you when I find some. Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that my initial comments were directed towards the assumed "progressivism" of using instrumental solos. How "trad" can you GET?! Frankly, yr number 4 I'd be very interested in seeing more of. Admittedly, my initial white comment was meant to provoke. It did. I am happy. yay!
Because ddrake said so.
It really is like being out on the playground again.Cinniblount has yet to say anything relevent.PS: didn't apply to OberlinPPS: Oberlin is a shitty schoolPPPS: You suck.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:57 (twenty years ago) link
dude, are you talking to me? Cause I wasn't arguing this at all.
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link
You deny that possibility for the rest of us...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.
ddrake has yet to respond to what anyone actually said (as opposed to what he'd like to pretend they said)
What?!
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Have you been paying attention to what I've said at all?
― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link