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christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

does the "mystery roll deep" track have a name attached to it yet? or a release?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha i looked this thread up and ws just about to ask about the same 'you were always' song (dunno about the mcing but the track is gorgeous, is it an swv sample?) but i see that all happened upthread. wd love to have a proper copy of it, anyone have an mp3?

minna (minna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

ground zero should be on the roll deep album ... check the Wiley hyperdub interview.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

the only copies of "you were always" going around (and it's been going around for well over a year!) are radio rips.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always-
playing some annoying mental game'

strider, with the best line in the song, i love that bit

ulke, Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

yes it is an SWV sample. I know this because Wiley plays it on the pirate recording Luke sent me and calls it the SWV riddim (and tells all the ladies to rewind their tape and learn the words, which is funny because Dizzee's verse is pretty damn mysogynistic)

Keith McD, Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

LEARN TO RAP

KILLA B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always' - you're talking about that 2 years old Roll Deep song? it's great, but I have only one old pirate version... is there a new recording of that song?

rishlje, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

nah, it's the same track, it's just getting played out again.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F. "

Ha ha this description is *purpose-built* to make me salivate uncontrollably. It occurred to me the other day that over the last year my entire listening habits have shifted somewhat towards overblown melodic multicoloured pyrotechnics. I'm not sure what's the cause but I'm blaming dancehall.

Incidentally, after all that confusion over Vice Versa being a remix or not I'm pretty sure that it's just "Vice Versa" now! Sorry for mixing everyone up!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

rapids got about 10 new tunes all like that though. i haven't heard one called armour, although i've heard one armour from NASTY does the vocals on. rapid has gone crazy. everything he's dong is amazing.

l', Friday, 9 January 2004 09:27 (twenty years ago) link

what do we think of the terror danjah production sound, the tuff tracky futuro hyperdubbyness i find a bit of a turn off really. anything less twee out there that might change my mind?

prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

'cock back' is quite dainty in its way tho i suppose, averts the usual goth d'n'b moshpit

prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

the dude who did essentials - 'get over it' was SOOO much better being terror danjah, i wish he'd reappear

prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone know the name/producer of the guy who did that tinchy freestyle track about 20 minutes into the ruff squad dec. 22nd set with the crazy rock drumfills?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Define "grimette", plz.

That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

Grime with girly bits. Basically it's old femme vocals style 2-step only with grime production where the 2-step production used to be - check for example any remix/bootleg of an R&B tune by a grime producer (eg. Danny Weed's remix of Jamelia's "Bout" - a classic of this mini-genre!).

The best stuff strikes me as an odd mesh of early 2-step, 'ardkore and that brief late nineties fad for jungle mixes of R&B tunes - the first for the way the producer shreds the vocals to little hiccups and phrases, the second for the way it all sounds like a composite of different effects, and the third for its brute physicality. It's definitely quite different to even the darker vocal 2-step of 00-02, which tended to let the vocal run straight through.

This stuff isn't the future in any way shape or form, but I enjoy it immensely.

because the original tune (or the lead vocalist in the case of new productions) is pretty much eviscerated by the snapping beats and slimy basslines

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

That sounds fantastic. Where do I start?

That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jamelia - Bout (Danny Weed Remix)
Davinche ft. Kele Le Roc - What I Found In You
Terra Danjah ft. Shola Ama & D.E.E. - Contagious

... are my three favourites, but look for that one Luka talked about on his blog 'cos he makes it sound awesome:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

hey remember gemma fox! they just rereleased 'messy' wih a jim jones verse, but a lame new beat sadly

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah true "Messy" is the prototype for this, as is Outlaw Breaks' "Dutty". Also the Lorraine Cato vocal mix of "Pulse X".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

so sure

that wasn't me that was lee, (anythingcanhappen.blogspot.com) who i think was posting under the name tinman. i should have made it more obvious i was quoting.

luke', Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago) link

gemma fox has a horrible voice tho!

the only other tune ive herad like this (on the independance site) is a bit rubbish too - Get 2 Know- Skepta Feat Chardonnai (thats a good name though). my fear is that the vocalists they are going to get are kinda shit. i like shola ama however, if only i could actually hear that tune with terra danjah!

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

ambrose i think it's like the first or 2nd track on last week's femme fatale 1xtra set, check it

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

All the 1xtra sets are fucked up at the moment though - click on what you think is Femme Fatale and it'll give you halfway through Rodney P & Skitz or something.

Ambrose the rubbishiness or otherwise of the vocalists is usually a bit moot because they're mostly sped up shrill cyber-divas (this is why I didn't include Gemma Fox or Lorraine Cato first off - the sound has moved on slightly).

Prima explain your Terra Danja hate plz - I don't hear the Hyperdub connection you're making, or if I do surely it applies to Danny Weed, Davinche et. al. as well?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

O.K, I 'spose it's a bit unfair to just tempt you
This is N.A.S.T.Y from 5th Jan '04 on DejaVu. Amazing set featuring Kano, Sharky Major, Ghetto, Stormin, Armour, Hyper, and some geezers called NJ Fever, Bruiser, Hyperfen and Marciephonix (think they're from Dynasty crew, but I'm sure Luka will now what's what). Check out Bruiser, 'Get Meaayyy'. Oh, and the first tune is "So Sure".

tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

The above will download, this one should play directly in RealPlayer.
"I’m a master at work, I ain't talkin’ ‘bout nine to five I'm a master that merks /
Since class I spat words, an’ I won’t ever stop till I drive past in that Merc."

tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

whoops...
this is the correct link:
RealPlayer-N.A.S.T.Y.

tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

right, i've got the 5th jan ruff squad set now, and it'll be on slsk in an hour or two. fantastic stuff as noted above. i've also got the nasty crew set there as an mp3.

luka's right - "armour" is lethal injection. i'm stupid.

tinman - could you msg me next time yr on slsk?! i had a crash and lost my user list.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

All the 1xtra sets are fucked up at the moment though - click on what you think is Femme Fatale and it'll give you halfway through Rodney P & Skitz or something.

I thought something was wrong! Are they on there anywhere then?

If I can get Nicotine client to work for Mac (Tim, have you tried this?), I might finally be up on soulseek soon. I'm desperate to hear all the new stuff.

Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks toby!!!)

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

(that's cool cozen. let me know what you think of it. check out hollindagain and the grubbs 12" too if you don't already have them, i love them both.)

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Nordic, "Contagious" was a track on the previous Richie Vibe Vee session whih is how I heard it. Will probably turn up again when they fix up whatever's wrong cos both he and Femme seem to like it quite a bit.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

anyone who doesn't download that brand new nasty set above is crazy.
watch what happens about 8 minutes in, watch that rhythm!

', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

listen to NOW! what you doing? actually the new MCs are shit mostly but stormin and sharky are smashing it on some old school nasty shit. kano's quite good on it too.

', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

20 minutes in kano starts killing flirta d terrible terrible terrible referring to how ghetto dashed the mic in his face on stage, ahhhhhhhh! marcus wanted to get flirta into nasty but flirta never wanted to and since then its been beef. flirta d is from west and when he spits he makes funny noises. thats his gimmick. thats the background.

', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

For Tim and anyone else that cares, the 1Xtra links are all working again now.

the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

Lee/Tinman I like your blog lots but you should post more!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Foulplayification! around this mark:
: Playing 32kbps
: 17:05:10

in the new Femme Fatale set with Kano & Mac 10

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

That set is still playing De La Soul live for me instead of Femme :-(

I notice that Femme and Richie are increasingly parting ways, with Femme playing more and more grime and Richie playing more and more old skool.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, I've had problems with 1XTRA site in the past
and discovered that messing around with it (repeating, trying all the different (multiple for each DJ) links) sometimes produces breakthrough

except, last week I successfully loaded Femme Fatale, had to stop it, came back to it and got the De La show again - aaaah!

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I think that's what happened to me! Grr.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

It's still working for me! There's some nice stuff on there too...

the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

that bit that lukas talking about with kano 20 mins in makes hims sound like mc paul barman!!!!!!!

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

fuck that riddim at 40.00 is amazing!!!!!!!

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

what are good shops in london to buy 12"s from? names and streets, preferably.

also, what are good ukg websites worth checking?

(questions from a friend, he wanted asking).

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

Blackmarket, isn't it?

Rewind mag site is all right. Hyperdub also.

Has anyone heard the j2k thing yet??

East Bay Crackhaus (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 January 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

tell him rhythm division on roman road.

', Saturday, 17 January 2004 10:39 (twenty years ago) link

the words "grime garage" are in big writing on the front of the daily telegraph this morning!

toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 January 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link


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