If you're thinking about the mainstream (in the US) and why dance is not as popular (anymore), then you have to look at how the public generally tends to listen/view artists: They want a *face* something which isn't as prevalent in dance.
― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link
actually, DYOH debuted at no. 14 and went gold half a year later. Not bad at all, but the "teeming throngs" line feels a bit facetious, especially since they've released two albums since then have each done worse than that.
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― it's tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
She's right. (Google "lenny bruce," "vaughn meader" and "kennedy" together to get a fuller explanation.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah, when were prodigy and fatboy slim hip on the real dancefloors? never. its all about the singles and compilation mix albums in the REAL danceculture. the culture that brings money to the table, the 'kids'
They aren't waiting on a new Daft Punk either, they just want Dave Clarke to put out a new mix album.
― Rizz (Rizz), Sunday, 23 January 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Or Kiss?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rizz (Rizz), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Screw that, we're talking about dancing and having fun, and that's NOT Moby these days. What we need is a picture of Altern 8:
http://www.trancentral.ru/pix00/10_misc/altern8.jpg
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 23 January 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.yegor.com/Music/moby-7.jpg
see? Lookee!
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
In the UK in the 90s there were dance #1s coming out on a fucking conveyer belt. The big problem is that most of them were rubbish.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
*or is it Rest of World?
― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― bugged out, Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― bugged out, Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Laurent Garnier is presenting the 6 Mix show on 6 Music, NOW ! 8pm - 10 pm
Sunday 23 JanuaryInfluential European DJ figurehead Garnier enjoyed a previous life as a restaurant manager, then footman at the French Embassy ...
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link
I think this is true about much of ILM
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Maybe he should have mentioned Waltzes as well. I mean, okay, Britney Spears makes Dance Pop. You can dance to Rock. If it has a beat, you can dance to it. But he's talking about Dance - from Chem Bros to Kompakt. I mean, this is an article not about him (and what music he likes) but about the state of Dance music in the US.
― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― fatfreddy, Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
xxpost - history is written by the "winners"
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
That's right, we're stopping you from dancing to any records except electronic ones, with physical force.
And fuck the barely concealed contempt in the you can dance to all sorts of music too whining
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
and as for Matthew's post, perhaps the people want rave culture to be more popular in America because they're into it. not because they hate Britney. fairly certain Simon R did actually do a blog entry about Toxic anyway, so good example
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost - it is all the same!
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
hence some people in the US, flagrantly, on this thread, while knowing what dance music is, can't understand the wider concept of it, that which distinguishes it from hiphop etc.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link
you're so defensive about this, is all i mean ronan. I sincerely doubt that dance music needs defending, it does quite fine on it's own.
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
There seems to be a spate of disingenuousness about the specific meaning of genres round here lately, too.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link
In accords to non electronic dance music, Im still waiting for a Funk revival
― Mike D (nullnvoid), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link
yes, raves didn't take off on a large scale in america because of homophobes, yep, uh huh.
perhaps it's just because, duh, the US and the UK are completely different countries? with different economies, social customs, class traditions, and even property rights? (there's no way that in America circa 1988 you could've commandeered a big farm estate for a rave, like you could in the UK).
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
I think it's stupid and overstepping the mark to complain about Americans who like dance music and the culture inherent to that wanting it to become popular.
Just because you can fucking dance to anything does not mean it sounds like Tiefschwarz or Kompakt. Hence the Britney comparison seems like lazy tossed off rubbish.
It's as if to say 'why the fuck would you listen to kompakt or tiefschwarz, YOU CAN ALREADY DANCE TO THE MUSIC IN THE CHARTS'
And you can apply that example to pop vs any other genre that isn't successful in America.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 23 January 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link