Like even just from a standpoint of these people's own professional reputations, why wouldn't they cut their losses?
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
His reaction to the Evian request was when it became obvious just how much Billy had some kind of weird control over him or something. The same way he has over a lot of people I guess?
I mean, at some point prior to getting involved in Fyre King evidently thought, "Magnises was not completely stupid and shitty," so he was apparently susceptible to being convinced that bad ideas are not in fact bad ideas.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
greed explains every single one of these morons' actions
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
bad ideas that reap millions of dollars are not bad ideas when you're an amoral greedhound
like you can bet that every time one of these shitbags witnessed Billy make some completely ludicrous claim or prognostication, they all thought to themselves "well, he's rich, so on some level he must be right!"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
"and if I can only figure out what that level is, *I* will be rich too!"
my take was that Andy is a guy who has done what it takes to make things happen and this seemed like a more dire situation that he was used to, but he's seen and done some shit and by god we've got to get the water to the campsite
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link
I can’t stop laughing at this:
http://i63.tinypic.com/ngom8p.jpg
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link
Heh, reminds me of the Mr Show law firm interview sketch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTRBUnjAgq8
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
it really says something that we're floating over the part where they bought really expensive water that resulted in a $175K customs bill... for water
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:56 (five years ago) link
also floating over the part where this guy thought he could *give a blowjob that was worth $175k*
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
I just went online to a currency converter, and $175K in Bahamian dollars is currently worth ... $175K in US dollars.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link
are Manhattan-based scams of a distinct flavor compared to other scams?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link
guys the $175K goes to the *government*, the blowjob goes to the customs agent who forgets to charge you and doesn't tell the government about your evian
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
Did you know that Evian is Naive spelled backwards? I learned that from Elon Musk, the Billy of the tech industry.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
Musk's pitch is basically variations of Fyre Festival ... in Space!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:08 (five years ago) link
if I could hand Billy some money and received a working music festival that was overbilled but only *might* catch fire, maybe
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:10 (five years ago) link
i almost just linked to a billy but then thought better of it, feel free to ilxmail if you're super curious
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link
xpost the naive/evian thing was also in the movie Reality Bites.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
I'm going to make a third Fyre doc called Reality Bites ... You in the ASS!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:17 (five years ago) link
This all makes me wonder when we're going to get the tell-all ATP doc, the final word on the UK's own lo-fi Ponzi scheme festival.
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
The feeling I get from most of the Netflix doc’s talking heads is that they think that the clarity of their hindsight somehow absolves them. you don’t get a lot of insight into their actions so I’m a little skeptical of their framing of themselves vs Billy etc . idk
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
they got him the clicks. the rest was up to him
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
just watched the Netflix one.
all I can say is
"that's not fraud! that's not fraud! That's...I would say...false advertising".
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 02:55 (five years ago) link
I remember when I was working for a firm that was designing and opening all the 4m3rican 4pparel stores. AA had no money. They kept thinking that opening new stores would somehow create the cashflow they needed and save them. Every single week we would be on a call with corporate about who to pay first based on who was threatening to sue or place a lien. It was ridiculous. AA had apartments in certain cities for all the photogenic salespeople that were favorites to crash at and hang out. It was the worst environment I have ever worked in. I could not get someone from AA to show up before 5pm. And all these poor local contractors and suppliers who thought they landed this big contract who were providing things for free with expected payment 2-4 weeks out. Shit just gets out of control because you expect most people know what the fuck they are doing.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:12 (five years ago) link
I lasted 5 months. It was insanity.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link
It bothers me that they keep saying Billy was very charismatic and convincing when everyone involved was simply blinded by greed.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:23 (five years ago) link
and let's not forget the other UK based entitled generation festival story :
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/festival-fraud-aristocrat-still-paying-355k-back-to-parents-a3591381.html
went to one of the earlier ones before the fraud was revealed. we were the only people (with kids no less!) drinking beer, the bar was mainly stocked with bottles champagne.
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 09:24 (five years ago) link
Come on guys, this is clearly the UK analogue: http://www.grubstreet.com/2017/08/cheese-festival-disaster.html
― emil.y, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link
Some justice. And a kicker of a final paragraph. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/world/americas/maryann-rolle-fyre-festival-gofundme.html
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
As in new Gawker
Of course this photo of Gawker's editorial director with Fyre Festival organizer Billy McFarland exists. Of course it does. pic.twitter.com/Bn8PFfF5LC— Kim Bhasin (@KimBhasin) January 23, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
And if you want an update on that person:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gawker-writers-quit-over-editorial-director-carson-griffiths-offensive-tweets-workplace-comments
fyre media is going well
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
It bothers me that they keep saying Billy was very charismatic and convincing when everyone involved was simply blinded by greed.― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:23 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:23 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink
― The thing from the popular "That Thing" song (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
When will the NYT stop calling McFarland an entrepreneur and start calling him “convicted scam artist” or “jailed con man”?
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 24 January 2019 02:22 (five years ago) link
When he stops being rich and white
― harvey wall/barrier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 24 January 2019 03:52 (five years ago) link
The first is more likely imo
only one man can end the government shutdown pic.twitter.com/zcxHKZeOeZ— #TheRamsistance 🐏 (@MilesKlee) January 25, 2019
― mh, Friday, 25 January 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
haha he did like mushrooms
― calumy (rip van wanko), Friday, 25 January 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
yeraC wrote:
AA had apartments in certain cities for all the photogenic salespeople that were favorites to crash at and hang out.
I used to live across from one of these, it was nuts!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 25 January 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
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― Lee626, Saturday, 26 January 2019 02:18 (five years ago) link
This seemed very much in line with the Madoff phenomenon of scamming people by making them believe they are in on a different kind of scam
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 26 January 2019 05:04 (five years ago) link
It seems like a disaster even as a scam/con, though. How could you invite rich and well-connected to an event, charge them through the nose, not deliver, and then expect no consequences? My partner compared the doc to Moby Dick, where all these people were on this quasi-suicide mission led by a madman with a singular, but insane, vision.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
Netflix doc was better probably. Nthing that the footage from the NYC VIP Access apartment was fuckin nuts.
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Sunday, 27 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
This thing cost me $300 and it’s an empty box pic.twitter.com/gJ9T6arw1m— adam.the.creator (@AdamPadilla) January 27, 2019
― groovypanda, Sunday, 27 January 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
the Netflix doc was really good. Having been involved with at least one project where it got a jump-start via a slick, well-produced video and then turned into (on a much smaller scale) a mini Fyre Festival-type disaster, I can understand where all of the involved parties are coming from. If someone is doing a job, even if they think the people above them are fucking up completely, there yet remains a stubbornness at play, in that they want to see it through and do their part and not abandon it. And only later after the fact do a lot of people really see the full scale of the disaster. My particularly disastrous job involved a bit of embezzlement and con artistry and complete unpreparedness and lawsuits as well. Fortunately I was a freelance hired hand who wasn't involved in any of that, and they sent me off in the same way they sent the pilot off in this documentary.
― omar little, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:58 (five years ago) link
Can u dish further
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Monday, 28 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
sounds a little like a certain presidential administration we all know /trench
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 28 January 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link
lol, remembered and found this fb update I had posted:
J_________September 11, 2015I keep seeing ads for "Magnises." Is that the latin word for assholes?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 28 January 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
9/11 never forget