i generally found pavement's shambling onstage schtick more charming/entertaining than annoying back in the day (and they were occasionally great when I saw them), but i get why people might find it to be a turn off. i've always been a little confused as to why they're still such a flashpoint for some — it's cool if you don't dig 'em!
― tylerw, Friday, 15 February 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
That interview is hilarious. I mean, how would you react to being interviewed by Lewis Largent, the Candlebox of MTV VJs?
― George R. R. Caro (PBKR), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
I find all of their antics a lot more charming/funny now then I did, also a lot of it had to do with much hand-wringing at the time over "irony", and honestly I knew people who really liked Smashing Pumpkins & STP who felt like that those lyrics, even though they are obviously tossed off near non-sequiturs (actually that probably made it worse), were real shots fired at those fan bases.
At least in my experience the two tweakers I worked nights with didn't find it very funny that some "college boys" were making fun of them and other choice descriptions said around gobs of chewing tobacco pinched in their cheeks.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 February 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link
did they also use the 3-letter "f"-word?
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:39 (five years ago) link
And the 6 -letter version and several other words & phrases that don't get bandy about anymore, I certainly did.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 February 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
Yeah but to describe Pavement specifically, lol (I could just tell it followed from "college boys"...)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
Ha oh yeah totally, though frankly they way these dudes said it, "college boy" was just about the worst thing you call someone
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 15 February 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
are we supposed to revisit this every 5 years? i was pretty satisfied with the 20th anniv revisiting. i did lol at era/error and start screaming KOREA in my head though
this is another one of the albums that the stalker left on my windshield. at the time, i was pretty glad he left me this one because i was going to buy it anyway. i have mostly fond memories of this album + gentlemen.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
you people are my people
― alpine static, Friday, 15 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
also, i thought their throats are filled with silence ... i.e. you loop the lyrics back around to the front end of the album. that's a theory i read, anyway.
― alpine static, Friday, 15 February 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
If you mash up "Trigger Cut"/"Fillmore Jive" you get:
filled with... rocks & sand
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 15 February 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
Someone recently posted on ILM the original source from which the "Cut Your Hair" cover art was taken (an old German LP?), but I can't find it. If you read this (whoever you are), would you mind reposting? Thx!
I didn't see and can't find the original post, so sorry for not giving credit, but went looking based on that "Melody in F" text in the corner, and this looks like it:https://www.discogs.com/release/5277469-Beer-Garden-Piano/images
Sorry to whoever originally found it, please do post here!
(There are some other, uhhh, classic cover pics in the Barrel Fingers Barry oeuvre)
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 15 February 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
Cool, thanks!
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 15 February 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
happy 30th
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 23:31 (three months ago) link
Oh hell.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 23:43 (three months ago) link
Come on now, talk about your family
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:30 (three months ago) link
Damn
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:35 (three months ago) link
upto the top of steve shasta gulch
― mookieproof, Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:42 (three months ago) link
write it on a postcard
― brimstead, Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:57 (three months ago) link
in the city we forgot to name
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 February 2024 02:53 (three months ago) link
his telephone was found
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 03:03 (three months ago) link
She is the queen of the House of California (Casa Pasadena), thrill
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 03:24 (three months ago) link
don't listen to your grandmother's advice about us, you're solid, kid
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 15 February 2024 04:11 (three months ago) link
goodnightto the rock 'n' roll era
― alpine static, Thursday, 15 February 2024 06:48 (three months ago) link
"Fillmore Jive" was the secret key for my appreciation of Pavement.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 15 February 2024 07:03 (three months ago) link
I brought this record with me to my year studying abroad in Glasgow and this girl I met saw it and goes "oh wow Pavement, I haven't thought about them in forever." This was 1996.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 February 2024 10:03 (three months ago) link
Sorry 1994!
I don’t know about “ultimate” but “Elevate” is to me probably the one song I would pick if someone were to ask for one song to encapsulate what Pavement were all about
― Road House: Songs and Stories (Master of Treacle), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:02 (three months ago) link
the rock kids in their vespas...
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:59 (three months ago) link
Elevate (and ELL Ess two) were and remain for me so central to their character, at their best.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:03 (three months ago) link
it's a brand new era, but it came too late
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:13 (three months ago) link
xp Wait, isn’t that the same song(?)
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:14 (three months ago) link
i'm not your neighbor you baker street trash
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 15 February 2024 22:48 (three months ago) link
― byebyepride, Thursday, 15 February 2024 22:53 (three months ago) link
Something about the production of cut your hair makes it sound really sludgy over speakers
― calstars, Saturday, 9 March 2024 01:43 (three months ago) link
Worst pavement album (but it's still an alright album)
― H.P, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:07 (three months ago) link
haha I thought that after WZ came out in 1996, I have since changed my mind and rank it Westing>WZ>S&E>CRCR>BTC>TT but I am biased abt this band, been thinking a lot abt enduring artists I appreciate, e.g. SM and Kristin Hersh were both born w/in a few months of me and I have been real into both over the last year or two.
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:18 (three months ago) link
The overdose on bass production could make a shitty record player sound ok
― calstars, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:28 (three months ago) link
Aka the Peter Hook Effect
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:29 (three months ago) link
Probably the easiest Pavement album for me to enjoy, but I think the first four are all great and even like the fifth as an uneven but still fairly commendable and enjoyable listen. (Bob recently said TT should've been an EP, and he's not wrong - it could've been rock solid and a great one.) I guess it's like the Velvet Underground or Big Star where there aren't many LP's and I don't want to choose favorites because they're all pretty unique and great in their own way.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 9 March 2024 02:36 (three months ago) link
Terror Twilight is a fantastic album and so is CRCR.
Been interesting listening to the Godrich alternative sequence of TT
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Sunday, 10 March 2024 20:38 (three months ago) link
I didn't dig TT until hearing the Godrich sequence, fwiw
― Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Monday, 11 March 2024 13:40 (three months ago) link
“speak see remember” should be destroyed but the rest of TT is very good
― brimstead, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:08 (three months ago) link
^^no way, the jammy part at the end saves it
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 15:58 (three months ago) link
Westing>WZ>S&E>CRCR>BTC>TT
This is right tho I wouldn't call Westing an album per se, and I would put it somewhere between CR and TT
― a (waterface), Monday, 11 March 2024 15:59 (three months ago) link
jammy part at the end of "Speak See Remember" is one of the handful of highlights on an otherwise "just OK" album!
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:06 (three months ago) link
oh wait, i misread that as if brimstead was saying that specific part should be destroyed ... i agree that the first 2:50 of "SSR" is blah, but the last 90 seconds of it are one of the few times on TT you actually hear the energy of the first three albums come to the surface.
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:09 (three months ago) link
I've never quite understood why some fans rate Westing so highly... it's a solid EP, they're all good songs, but beyond that...(?)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:09 (three months ago) link
it's obviously not as good as the first three official albums but it sure is fun to hear the band in its embryonic form, hear SM's earliest/noisiest ideas, hear them at their most DIY, imagine them doing this weird-ass shit at Gary's house, etc. no different than hearing any other great band's early stuff.
but imo if you're inclined to include Westing in an album ranking, you need to strip it back to the individual EPs on their own, which means you also have to consider Watery Domestic.
― alpine static, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:14 (three months ago) link
Oh wait, I'm totally messed up... I mean the EP that came after S&E, what's it called?
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:15 (three months ago) link