Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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thk u for obscuring the horribleness of my last post..

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 16 April 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

we all just have to head for the door and shut it tightly behind us. i think this thread brings out the worst in people. myself included.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 April 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

and THAT is the greatness/horribleness of Steely Dan! (close thread)

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 16 April 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/360000/images/_361063_lock150.jpg

gear (gear), Sunday, 16 April 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Susan,

I am sorry if I offended anyone. I thought that what punk rock stood for was dialogue. Freedome of speech. If the thread has to be closed because I crossed the line, then I think that that's censorship. The guy from Bad Religion was willing to keep it open, and I don't think that there is a better speokesman for punk rock than him.

Jason Tucker, Monday, 17 April 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

1. God told Moses "Thou Shalt Not Kill". 3600 years later he has changed is mind.

More like, a couple chapters in the Bible later.

Name reserved, Monday, 17 April 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow Jason, you really couldn't be any wronger about Siouxsie (in terms of not adding anything to the musical landscape) if you tried.

Dan (Amazing) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, wrinklepaws.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, this thread plumbs new depths of ILM beserkitude. Classic.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

wow - major dumb post hangover.

lf (lfam), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

whatever, i used to be a huge bad religion fan in middle school / early high school. i think i'm allowed to show graffin jackin'.

lf (lfam), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that a problem that a lot of people are having with Steely Dan on this thread is that they hear the word jazz and then they try and judge Steely Dan as though they were playing jazz- they weren't. They were playing rock. The jazz influence is in the chords and the musicianship. That doesn't mean it should be approached the same way one would approach jazz.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow okay that was a really interesting diversion. anyway, i think i just sold someone on the charms of steely dan by playing them side 1 of gaucho.

gear (gear), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's an extreme example, I know, but as mentioned above, if we all treated music as sacred, then a few people might actually begin to treat human life as sacred..."

It sounds like you need a hug and a drum circle.

js (honestengine), Monday, 17 April 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i hate susan douglas!

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Monday, 17 April 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread=bananas!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 17 April 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

can we close it now???

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 06:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Steely Dan is on classic radio CONSTANTLY. Is this not a factor in people's opinions on them? Or have I just I listened to the radio way more than most? To me, "Reelin in the Years" is inextricably tied to being in a car on a long boring trip while an 'adult' leaves 9X.X FM CLASSIC ROCK on for hours...

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, I just saw this way upthread:


I think they (Steely Dan) are another victim of classic rock radio's tendency to over-play certain songs.

This is exactly it for me, at least with the radio station I listened to growing up. They played the same "hits" over and over and over again and I just learned to cringe every time I heard them, no matter how cool I thought it was that they were named after a sex toy. Although: I did love "Hey Nineteen" when it came out, but I'm still not sure if that was the song itself or my adolescent whatnot reacting to the fabulousness of the Solid Gold dancers uh "interpreting" it every week while it was still on the charts.

Maybe I'll come around to the band some day, but it's going to take a lot of time and possibly some therapy.

-- Sean Carruthers (oneiro...) (webmail), February 13th, 2004 5:08 PM. (SeanC) (link)


Anyhow, OTM

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Following advice from upthread, and being reminded by another ILM thread (one on Coltrane's Love Supreme, where it was alledged that LS is "jazz for people who don't like jazz"), I gave Countdown to Ecstacy a try and liked more of it than Aja, but still not enough to justify, you know, liking Steely Dan. I think I might just have to find a greatest hits or something (or make my own comp).

js (honestengine), Sunday, 30 April 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

THIS IS THE THREAD WHERE RANDOM PEOPLE DECLARE THAT THEY DONT LIKE THE DAN

city of gyros (chaki), Sunday, 30 April 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Google "Hey Nineteen Lyrics". Click first item in results. See lyrics displayed alongside this ad:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e126/crawuncle/heynineteen.gif

O-Keigh (O-Keigh), Monday, 1 May 2006 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

right now, I'm listening to Azita's Life on the Fly, which is def. the best Steely Dan record not recorded by Steely Dan! yay!!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Countdown's the best I think if you're allergic to the smooth stylings of say Aja. If Countdown doesn't get you then I think the Dan has lost you, js.

Brakhage (brakhage), Monday, 1 May 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I hear a lot of Steely Dan in Tokyo Jihen. Offhand I can't think of another band with as many SD-like moments (but I've never gone looking for any either), although TJ is more upbeat. But at least some of the time they have jazzy/funky muso chops combined with real good accessible pop tunes.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Last night, the lf and I happened to listen to Paul Simon's One Trick Pony, and found that a lot of the tracks are disturbingly similar to a lot of Steely Dan tracks... while there's no doubt that Simon can write songs and has a 'voice,' the whole thing had a scent of rip-off. Any thoughts?

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

there are some steely-like moments on the new scritti.

cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

(JBR, I think you'd like this new Tokyo Jihen album, even if you didn't like Shiina Ringo solo. There's hardly any of the Beatlesesque big orchestra orchestrations (?) that I think might bother you in some solo SR, although actually I think she uses orchestra a lot better than the Beatles generally did. I guess I should try to hear the new Scritti Politi, after having become somewhat of a fan only within the past couple years.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole thing was worth it for this:

Fagen: But isn't it true that the Leone films, with their elevation of mythic structures, their comic book visual style and extreme irony, are now perceived as signaling an aesthetic transmutation by a generation of artists and filmmakers? And isn't it also true that your music for those films reflected and abetted Leone's vision by drawing on the same eerie catalog of genres - Hollywood western, Japanese samurai, American pop, and Italian Opera? That your scores functioned both "inside" the film as a narrative voice and "outside" the film as the commentary of a winking jester? Put it all together and doesn't it spell "postmodern", in the sense that there has been a grotesque encroachment of the devices of art and, in fact, an establishment of a new narrative plane founded on the devices themselves? Isn't that what's attracting lower Manhattan?

Morricone: [ shrugs ]

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I happened to listen to Paul Simon's One Trick Pony, and found that a lot of the tracks are disturbingly similar to a lot of Steely Dan tracks... while there's no doubt that Simon can write songs and has a 'voice,' the whole thing had a scent of rip-off. Any thoughts?

Probably it's that he used the same musicians as SD. And I think it's possible to hear Simon's first album as a folkier blueprint for what SD would do (studio obsessive, New York-centric snarky lyricism).

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
best band ever

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Besides Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

they are fucking great. can't take them all the time, but... a lot of the time.

i'm getting worried about how i feel about them, actually.

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

still crap

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Greg Graffin looks like James Eckhouse from Beverly Hills, 90210 in those jerkoff pics.

I've got every Dan album besides Two Against Nature and Alive In America. My local store never seems to have those.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i politely give you these, sir:

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trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh the art of tithing.

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

'two against nature' is pretty sweet. crucial during this day and age of 'you me and dupree' as well.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I've got the Two Against Nature DVD anytime I want to hear Cousin Dupree, for now.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

if you don't have 'morph the cat' by fagen, you should grab it. it's tight, brah!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I've got that! I really need the other two Fagen CDs, though.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, you do! they are both excellent.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I still need Kamarkiriad, but my SD tide is currently low, so that purchase will have to wait til I get back into it.

Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's weird. I want the first 2 Fagen albums, AIA, TAN, and Becker's solo album, but not enough to special order them, yet. Still, I would totally buy them if I happened upon them in a store.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

no one in the uk listens to steely dan - fact!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

13 tracks of whack = not so good :/

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I really liked Morph the Cat at first but completely stopped spinning it after two weeks.

Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow it's been a long time since I considered giving Steely Dan another try.

Damn you opinionistas, now I've gotta go back and reconsider and probably waste a good three hours in order to write them off again.

I'll stick w/ wAkk AttAkk until then.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Gods. Absolutely love 'em.

Stay away from Everything Must Go though. Stay VERY VERY away!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link


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