"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

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i don't remember this much dissent when it came out. Are we all going to be trashing You Are The Quarry and Sung Tongs in a few years, too, as if we'd always despised them? Get over yourselves.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

I'm liking "We Float."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

(off Stories, that is)

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

"If I believe that PJ's last GREAT record was Rid Of Me and her last REALLY GOOD record was To Bring You My Love and I sold her last two records out of sheer boredom, will I like her new record?"

i think so. i'm liking it quite a bit so far.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm liking "We Float."

I cannot believe this is possible.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

it wasn't terrible. I did think it was for a long time though, then eventually it clicked. I like it a lot now (not as much as rid of me, the debut, or desire; about as much as to bring you my love though). That "whores hustle/hustlers whore" song is terrible, I'll give you that.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

again with the Stories hate. i do. not. understand.

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

"we float" is not one of the stonger songs on the last record, though i like it enough.

actually both title and cover of new one remind me of some hasil adkins record or something.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

Stories had some great songs, "This Is Love" is possibly one of Peej's best ever, but it's also the album of hers I most use the skip button on. I think I'm the only person I know who likes To Bring You My Love and Is This Desire? best.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 May 2004 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

Stories: I remember digging "Good Fortune" a lot (the only melody from that record that sticks with me now) and thinking that the duet was OK, but otherwise...underwhelming.

Is This Desire: not flat-out awful, yet not involving enough that I ever miss having it around.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 14 May 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

Crazeee... Stories is by FAR my favorite. "Good Fortune" is one of the most life-affirming song I've heard in a long time and the duet (despite my Radiohead/York hate) is amazing.
The cover rocks too.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with Baaderoni, but it was also the first Peej album I heard.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 14 May 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

what mr cummings said, throughout thread.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 14 May 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

Stories: zestless, horrible guitar sound, often embarrassing lyrics, no blues/no tunes. The first three songs are bearable, as is the secret track, but don't match up to earlier b-sides even.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 14 May 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

unfortunately the way she sang "lee-TAL ee-ta-lee-hee" on whatever the single off Stories was called made me want to drown her.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 14 May 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

I really like Stories... but the Thom duet is awful - he sounds like Chris Isaac on it, for fucksake.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 14 May 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

that's a terrible insult to the saturnine "wicked game" hitmaker.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 14 May 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'm the only person I know who likes To Bring You My Love and Is This Desire? best.

Lots of people seem to think that To Bring You My Love is the apex of her career (SPIN, Jim DeRogatis, Greg Kot). But Is This Desire?, you're right, doesn't have a whole lot of supporters (though I've never understood why: is it because it's her most "electronic" album?).

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 May 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

(and was she saddled with bandwagon-jumping accusations common to bands that "went electronic" in the late 90s, e.g. U2 and the Pumpkins and Bowie?)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 May 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Not really, it was more an "ill advised foray into industrial, doesn't really pull it off" kind of thing than the way the above two bands got slated for bandwagon jumping.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 14 May 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

That album's lovely, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 14 May 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

I love 'Is This Desire?'. I probably prefer it to 'Dry'.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

As I mentioned, Is This Desire? is the only one I listen to these days, despite thinking that the only really good song on it is the last one. It's a good album to clean house to.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed!

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

"to bring you my love" is by far her worst record

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

I only really like Dry and Is This Desire?. Aside from some scattered songs, I don't really have any time for the rest... I haven't listened to Stories... since the week I bought it (not even the duet, which was just...grating).

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

Thom appending "baby" to the end of lines surely has to mean something!

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 14 May 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

While PJ is almost certainly my favorite artist ever, the only album of hers that I've loved right off the bat has been Stories. (To Bring You My Love's still my favorite.)

Anyway, this one...It didn't make much of an impression the first two times I listened it, but on the third, it clicked. I'm really digging it now.

"The Pocket Knife"'s my favorite track at this moment: "I don't wanna cause a fuss / I just wanna make my own fuck-ups." "The Letter" is surprisingly dance-able (sort of). I had it playing on my computer while I was getting dressed this morning, and I noticed myself really moving to it without even realizing it.

"Seagulls" isn't listed as an actual track on her site, but it was an individual download on the page I found the album on. It's really unnecessary--just a little over a minute's worth of seagulls squawking. Which kind of reminds me of those stupid Sounds of Nature tapes my mom used to put on when she'd get stressed out.

I like just about everything else on Uh Huh Her quite a bit. Even this minute-and-half-long instrumental thing called "The End" is great (mostly just because it vaguely reminds me of Michael Nyman).

Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Friday, 14 May 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Polly Jean used to be my fav artist. Then she released Stories and even though two or so songs were decent on it, I hated it overall and thought she had sunk to this incorrigible state of blandness. I couldn't stand how Thom sounded like a neutered chipmunk on that song, ew - so much worse than usual. The whole thing was just so generic and colorless, with diminishing emotional impact upon repeated plays. "We Float" is almost late-era Sarah McLaughlinish.

Is This Desire? was a fitfully successful blend of her romantic angst with Trickyian sonics, and is definitely her ugliest and most inaccessible album, which turned a lot of people off. Some of the songs seem almost incomplete and underdeveloped in how short and stark they were, but conceptually, it was her strongest and most coherent work. Probably. It's a toss up between ItD and RoM. I loved how almost evrey song narrated a doomed tale of pitiful female protagonist - and they all had great names. I wish that duet from Angels with Dirty Faces was included as a bonus track, even though it mar the concept. It's also her most classicist, Victorian record, re: the songwriting, so I can understand how some might think it's just humdrum self-indulgent performance art. But I think it's mysterious and beautiul, and the apex of her storytelling skills with how much she can convey through saying so little (revisit "The Wind," "Catherine," "A Perfect Day Elise" - and the sublime "Angelyne").

I anticipate "Uh Huh Her" being a return to form, and I much prefer this cover to her clutching a Gucci bag wearing sunglasses. At night.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 May 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

"We Float" is almost late-era Sarah McLaughlinish.
I couldn't figure out what it reminded me of, but that's a good choice. And explains why I like it.

Dry is head and shoulders above her other albums to me, then Rid of Me and the 4-Track Demos, and then the last three.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

"stories" isn't bland, it's just works really well while adhering to more conventions than the first two records. there is a difference btw.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

I don't want to give the inpression that I don't love PJ Harvey by not posting to this thread, but I love PJ Harvey so I'm not posting to this thread.

mei (mei), Saturday, 15 May 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link

Stories is stripped of the individuality she exhibited on all her previous albums, or at least displays less of it. Countless other writers could have written the lines "But now we float / Take life as it comes," whereas I can think of only a handful that would've penned "Catherine De Barra, you've murdered my thinking / I gave you my heart, you left the thing stinking / I'd break from your spell if it weren't for my drinking ... I envy to murderous envy your lover / 'til the light shines on me I damn to hell every second you breath," much less "I wanna drink milk , eat grapes, have Robert DeNiro sit on my face," etc etceteraaaa. You can be conventional without losing your unique voice; for most other artists Stories may not have been a weak effort, but with her writing abilities, it seems a bit bland and subpar / lackluster to me; she doesn't seem to own the songs as much, imo.

Also, Pitchfork agrees with my view, so of course I am correct

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 May 2004 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

That guy she's with is wearing a Big Black shirt.

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 15 May 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I still think, soundwise if nothing else, "A Perfect Day, Elise" was some kind of apex for her - catchy but tense, physical, tightly compressed, lurching...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 May 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Countless other writers could have written the lines..."

eh, but she sings them nicely though.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

Said album title is ridiculous - to the point where it disuades me from wanting to buy it. But that's what happens when you get old and lose something.

JesusMaryChain, Saturday, 15 May 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think amateurist ws on to something with his hasil adkins comment.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I heard the live thing at Peel Acres last week. The new songs seem very stripped back and raw compared to her last LP. She brought in some records for Peel to play. From the obvious (Howlin Wolf) to the strange (Shocking Blue) to the downright WTF? (John Frusciante). She's on Later with Jools Holland tonight.

Robert Moore (treble), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

Even by the writer's own pitiful standards, this has to be the worst record review ever written.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

Petridish really does seem to have a problem with black music, doesn't he?

As usual I have to remind myself that it's not the fault of Petridish, who I suppose can't help being stupid, but the idiots who pay him money to excrete his shit in a broadsheet newspaper.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago) link

It's all about "Catherine".

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

I just sat down and read that, Marcello. It's fucking pathetic; if he (or his sub-editor) admits in the fucking header of the review that he's scared of PJ Harvey, how the hell is he meant to deal with anything else? Like, you know, catching a bus or something.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

I saw her live last night, and I think the new songs really show off the range of her voice, and that it's equally strong at the top as well as the low notes.. my favourite is probably the one that goes 'shame, shame, shame', can't remember the title.

I'm not that big a PJ Harvey fan really, I can't stand the songs when she goes mental.. but her melodic songs are great. The Letter's really grown on me.. I didn't like it much at first, but the guitars in that are cool.

The thing that puzzled me last night was how both the blokes and the girls were obsessed with what she was wearing (a yellow dress and pink stillettos by the way.. photos here. You don't get that when you have blokes performing.. even if they were wearing cool boots.

jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

She probably played that John Frusciante record at Peel Acres because she's mates with him.. It's a bit like the Death Disco show last night, when Alan McGee seemed to play mainly tracks by bands that he manages or his wife's group.

jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

i hate to say it (i generally think these guardian slagoffs are way ott) but marcello otm. that review pissed me off quite a lot earlier.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

She's just been on Jools Holland, and was really good. jellybean - she wore the same yellow dress and pink heels as in those photos and the reason for the obsession is that she looks AMAZING!

I'm thinking that this'll be where the glamour-kitten image of Stories... and the dirty blues intensity of Dance Hall At Louse Point meet.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Petridish really does seem to have a problem with black music, doesn't he?

Man, I had the biggest crush on Alexis Petridis when I was 18 or so. ...my how times change.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah. I saw Jools Holland as well.. that outfit does look really good (I was too short to see her shoes when she was playing live)

jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 29 May 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

"on paper, a lot of her songs are structurally pretty boring, but she's got this way of elevating them by virtue of some weird intangible. i dunno if it's the power in her voice or the determination that she executes the material with, but as with most of her stuff, i'm convinced that 90% of these songs would just fall flat in lesser hands."

yep.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 29 May 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link


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