No, it's fair enough JC going off SW's music. It's the "planted the flag" attitude that I found distasteful from JC.
He's probably gone off Krautrock by this point too...
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, from what I heard, Bill Drummond had more to do with that compilation than Cope did.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
it seems odd to suggest one would "grow out" of scott walker. he's hardly rick astley.
― acrobat, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Ah, but once upon a time he was.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
It was my phraseology there, not Julian Cope's. But, yeah (xpost marc), Julian was once Rick astley.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I wish Rick Astley had had a megalithic phase and done songs about the phenomenology of Cock.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link
"Hold me in your arms" wasn't so far away from that!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Coincidentally, last night's scintillating episode of Gordon Ramsay's The F Word featured a cooking contest with James May Out Of Top Gear, who inscribed the word "COCK" on the top of whatever inedible meal he was preparing. Ramsey's rich vein of humour was exemplified by his instantaneous response: "You should have fucking written S, H, I, T on there, yes?"
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
You can't script that, really, can you?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
"rich vein" heh heh
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
results
― Zeno, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
In a weighted Top 5 type poll, Climate Of Hunter would do way, way better.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
That Cope thing reads more to me like he was a cock who abandoned music he liked because of peer pressure rather than "growing out of it" - which to me is a more natural progression than "oh noes they're laughing at me for liking Scott!"
― onimo, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
I dunno, you'll have to read it (from his book, not my version of it)
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
Climate Of Hunter may well be his strangest album. Tilt and The Drift can be slotted more easily into the experimental/avant-garde category, but Climate is an uneasy mix of genres, a bit of orch-pop, a bit of 80s fret-wankery, a bit rock a bit jazz... it's interesting and there are some great tracks on it - Rawhide, Sleepwalkers Woman, Dealer... but in the end I don't think it's a total success, it doesn't quite gel. What came before (the 4 Nite Flights tracks) and after (Tilt) are better.
― underpants of the gods, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link
I can't remember that bit from the books. Can't see me ever rereading theme either, entertaining though they were.
― onimo, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link
I agree, if you put a gun to my head, about CoH not being a total success. But I'd really only demerit maybe 2 or 3 tracks on it. The rest are mongrel creations but great, great, great. Especially the untitled one with Evan Parker on it, good god.
No other dystopian Scott album has the same feeling of UNEASE. Never flowing over into horror, despair or nausea. Just a deep dread.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
and Mark Knopler.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Thinking about it now, I guess I find all his later stuff a bit unsatisfactory - Tilt drags a bit in the middle to my ears, The Drift is a bit too long as well. They're still brilliant of course, maybe their imperfections somehow add to the brilliance.
― underpants of the gods, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
For me imperfect rarely equates to unsatisfactory. I do like a mess, the feeling that things have been released in the work that the artist could not fully retain authority over.
Can't agree on Tilt though. It may be too long to listen to in one sitting very often, but I wouldn't remove a thing.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I guess it's Bolivia '95 that drags a bit for me. Haven't listened to the album for a while though.
― underpants of the gods, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Yay, i was pleasantly surprised to find that last night's Imangine doc was available on demand - it seemed to go on for ages, in the best possible way. I've also got my ticket for the first showing of 30th Century Man at the Filmhouse.
― leigh, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Oops, that should be Imagine.
― leigh, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm listening to 3 right now and................
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― strgn, Friday, 25 May 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link
saw the cinema fillum tonight. really worth it but GOD DAMN if that LATER... footage isn't included *in full* on the dvd there'll be hell. there was only a clip and that's his only live performance in front of an audience for what? decades? and it's *there* sitting unloved in the bbc's cans!
― pisces, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
There's a great DVD-R doing the rounds of Walker rothers performances that has the whole thing on (and other oddities like the Britvic commercial). Not the best quality, but...
― aldo, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
"Brothers"
Disappointed neither 'Til The Band Comes in' or 'Climate Of Hunter' got any votes, I thought I was doing my contrarian part by voting for Scott 2 (my actual favourite anyway).
― aldo, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
the later footage is on Youtube last I checked.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah but rotten quality. man that clip... man alive. i wonder what had got into him beforehand.
― pisces, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Cope grows out of Scott and goes on to laud Sir Lord Baltimore lolz
Such are the perils of a professional record collector
― Tom D., Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link
In actual 1970 no doubt the Copemeister was grooving to the acid tones of White Plains and Cuff-Links.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Hey don't be dissin' White Plains, dude
― Tom D., Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, funny how you never see J.Cope and B.Gillespie in the same photo circa 1970.
THEY MUST HAVE BEEN IN DIFFERENT PLACES!!!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:02 (sixteen years ago) link
As I understand it B Gillespie was ejected from the studio by Sir Lord Baltimore after he tried to use their drum riser as an Orange mace.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I think proximity to Jools is upsetting to sensitives and seers. Seem to recall MES made some sort of threat when he appeared on the show as well.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
v late realization that climate of hunter >>>>>>>>>>>>
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
it's not not the dark side of a walk across the rooftops
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link
He is shaking to wash the murder away
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link
Pleased to get Climate Of Hunter CD in an HMV sale today for £3. The clerk said it was proving popular, LOL because someone on one of these threads said it was the lowest volume selling Virgin release of all time.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Sunday, 27 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
Partly recorded at Sarm West, Climate Of Hunter would have made sense and probably found an audience as a ZTT album. Actually Nite Flights sounds to me like it must have been an influence on Trevor Horn.
― Noel Scott Emits (Noel Emits), Sunday, 27 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
Climate of Hunter, Tilt, and something else just got a vinyl reissue as well. Well Tilt seemed to still be in print from Drag City, so now there are two out there; the new one is 2 LPs.
― akm, Monday, 28 October 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
2 lp Tilt eh?
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 28 October 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
today years old when I learned that Billy Ocean sings on Climate of Hunter
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 00:55 (one year ago) link
I played it again last week and can confirm that in 2022, Tilt still sounds like the future.
― ilxor, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 04:35 (one year ago) link
otm
"Bolivia '95" is one of my morning-walk songs.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 10:40 (one year ago) link
My favourite Scott albums have been on re-shuffle for a long time, but Tilt has to be the one. I've been reading a lot of Ligotti recently too, so Soused has kind of edged its way up the ranks - I'm not sure if there is a reason I associate Soused with Ligotti, maybe the lyrics of the last track?Til The Band Comes In might be a curate's egg but I prefer the good part of it to even Scott 4 these days. Hugely underrated.Also underrated is Climate of Hunter which is its own vibe and really makes me wish Scott had had more of a chance to flex his muscles in the new wave era.
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 12:01 (one year ago) link
"Tilt" is far and away the best album he put out in the latter part of his career.
― Oh wouldn't it be rubbery? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 12:06 (one year ago) link
They should just cut the crap and release this as a compilation: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2D03FX9s32oNhy3VxHvE00?si=396c58c17b8f49d4
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 12:08 (one year ago) link
It should include this b-side from 1972, an outtake from Til The Band Comes In that would have been better than "Prologue" or the covers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seRkrBsAkyE
"Stump of a Drowner (No More Love on the Run)"
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link