Cope went off him too
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
Weird memory I have is of a Canadian friend I had just before the turn of the century who was a real music nut but to my shock had never heard of Scott Walker. I guess everyone has their blindspots but it made me think maybe there really was a big Atlantic divide still going on with him.
― Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
Looking at the NYT homepage now and no mention of him, so yeah.
― Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
Not where I grew up but generally, yes.
― suzy, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
Have a different memory of the impact of that Razor and Tie comp -- it was all over WZBC at the time and that heavy airplay was my introduction to him.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
i had already found an import of the Boy Child CD by the time the razor & tie comp came along but I agree it was a heroic shot [with a great booklet ;)]
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link
Seems really rare in this day and age for a cultural figure to have a death that is breaking news on the BBC page yet registers nothing on the NYT page. And vice versa.
― henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
I think j cocker likes post-tilt stuff? He performed a song from the drift at that concert and he is the person who came up with the description “blocks of sound” that Walker always used to describe his approach
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
that's a nice suit
that's a swanky suit
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
Ha that’s gwb right?
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link
I think it was Jarvis who guest-reviewed Tilt for Select at the time, and gave it something like "10 stars...or 2 stars...who really knows?!"
― henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, March 25, 2019 12:59 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't know, it's the first thing that comes to mind when i think of scott walker for some reason. i (think i ) know that another lyrics in cossacks are is gwb "I'm looking for a good cowboy"
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah iirc both of those are things that gwb said to blair
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
When the shit Scott Walker got into power, I was talking to a couple of Wisconsinites about it and though they were both into music they had never heard of the good Scott Walker, which was sort of depressing
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:08 (five years ago) link
yeah the razor & Tie one. Marshall Crenshaw was a R&T artist and was the one who pushed the label to do it. I used to work there and helped MC write the notes. I was always trying to get them to do shit that would be competitive with Rhino and Ryko (the Joe Meek comp from 95 was my piece de resistance), but they were not equipped to market stuff like that. But stuff like hair metal hits of 80s? and later Kidz Bop? you bet!
really appreciate that some of you guys liked it, because it landed with a thud from where I sat.
― veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
For awhile there was a third Scott Walker who was a WRONG DUDE on Spotify, seems to have gone now
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
There is also a fourth Scott Walker, a former hockey player who was with the Nashville Predators of the NHL for most of his career (which ended about a decade ago.) And a fifth Scott Walker was a character actor who always seemed to play the bad guy (as in the Muppets Movie.)
― henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
the Joe Meek comp from 95 was my piece de resistance
Man, you did that one as well? I doubly thank you! That was also my introduction to that genius.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link
Come come, everyone knows the former St Mirren centre half, Scott Walker, is the second most famous Scott Walker.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
And Alloa, as immortalised in Scott Walker plays for Alloa
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
So we now have Scott Walkers 1-4 and Scott Til' The Band Comes In.
― Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
Scott Scores Goals From His TV Series.
― Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link
Holy crap @ these two Ute Lemper tracks THANK YOU whoever first recommended them. These are beyond incredible
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link
Also I really like Scott's basic latter-day songwriting "thing": put a bunch of surprising and contrasting sections in a row, then repeat them exactly (with different words), and only once. It's the most distilled form of formal minimalism: it happens, and then it happens once more, then it's over.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
Great to see people discovering those xp
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
The moment when the strings come in on Clara gives me goosebumps every time. So harrowing. RIP old man.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link
Here is an interview from the 1984
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
I'm interested to what extent his influence is still present in mainstream UK culture. Do people in the UK karaoke his shit? I would fucking love that; I went to pick up my daughter since my last post and I sang "Jackie" at the top of my lungs in the car…
It is bizarre at this point that there is nothing on this in the NYT; they clearly are asleep at the switch. Is Pareles too busy at Big Ears? It's odd to consider, but Scott is far far too rockist for Caramanica; if Thom Yorke or other 40somethings rep for anything, Caramanica turns up his nose. But Scott is right up Ratliff's alley; it would have been up at like noon if he was still there.
― veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
Fwiw Le Monde published an excellent obituary this morning.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
Er, this afternoon. Still.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
I can't remember whether it was Mixing It on R3 or Radcliffe's Hit The North on R5 where I first heard "Boychild". Summer 1990 and Fontana had just put out that compilation (savaged by Steve Sutherland in Melody Maker, while praising the Brothers' hits). That was the moment for me. I recall the strange fuss about his 3-sec appearance in that Britvic ad (which wasn't long after Climate) - as if he'd been missing for decades.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
I (a yank) learned about Scott from Roni Sarig's book The Secret History of Rock and Roll, a U.S. publication that I bought while studying abroad in England in 2001. That book introduced me to some other acts too — Serge Gainsbourg, Swell Maps, Young Marble Giants.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link
People have been posting the more difficult bits on Facebook but hearing The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore on the news was just epic.
― koogs, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
i can't even process this news. have been a fan since drag city released tilt in... 1996?
maybe because SW basically started his career over several times, he seemed particularly youthful. so this really comes as a shock.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link
This morning in my room
A little swallow was trapped
It flew around desperately
Until it fell exhausted on my bed
I picked it up
So as not to frighten it
I opened the window
Then I opened my hand
The cracking voice on the last line is devastating.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link
oh, my partner and i bonded over this being in both of our collections. we both know all the songs by heart. it's fabulous. i've gotten several joe meek compilations (even a big box set) since and it's just too much of a good thing... the CD you put together is a perfect distillation of his work. so thank you!!!!!
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:45 (five years ago) link
Heartbroken.
Scott Walker was, and is, the greatest for me. My lone, and only spirit animal. We all try to hold or clutch onto things or people. For me, it was him. His presence in my life is a meandering red line stretched from playing old Walker Bros lp's of my mum that I put on the turntable when alone in the living room, curious to hear who and what were behind that corny cover; up to me echoing his dilly-dally yet incisive poetry of the latter works in my daily life.
That's a nice suit, that's a swanky suit.
There isn't a single artist that made me feel so completely at home in music, in a mind like my own, like he did. Who bridged two very different worlds - his 60s and his reinvention starting in the 80s - in which I both feel completely, utterly at home, at peace, at rest. No other musician, nor any human being, encompassed this feeling: that someone out there knows your dreams, the romance, the love, the foolishness, and - it's seems not to have been mentioned on first glance but damn - the humour! He made me feel there was someone out there I could identify with, especially in his/my growth. This is like losing a parent, in some way, for me.
A compass unlike any other. Scott Walker was my constant. And my constant he will remain.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, March 25, 2019 11:43 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Fitting. I wanted to quote this, too. It's been in my head all day since I heard the news.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:48 (five years ago) link
does anyone have a link where i can read the entire le monde editorial? the version i found requires a paywall to read beyond the first few paragraphs.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:48 (five years ago) link
Scope J is really immense, I think it's my favourite Scott moment from the later era and he's not even on it! I think I read in an interview that it was originally slated for his next album (which would have been The Drift) but he gave it to Ute Lemper when she asked for a song. Would have loved to have heard a Scott version of it though!
That 1984 interview posted upthread is great. It's amazing to me that it appeared not in some niche publication but in a mass circulation weekly. How times change...
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link
I forgot to mention that it is indeed behind a paywall. Sorry GG.
xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:55 (five years ago) link
One track on The Drift is very quiet, and then Donald Duck makes a guest appearance.
iirc, yelling "what's up doc?" which is actually Bugs Bunny's line!
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
I believe it makes the Pola X soundtrack redundant for Scott completists, too
no fuckin way man (uh, imo)
pola x sdtk has some of his most conventionally lovely cues, almost debussy-like
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
All 11 Scott pieces from the Pola X OST are on the Five Easy Pieces boxset.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 25 March 2019 23:27 (five years ago) link
really? i gave the discogs page a glance and thought otherwise. sorry.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link
Walker was haunted by the spectre of encroaching fascism and mass brutality in America and the history leading up to it, Tilt / Drift / Bisch Bosch were urgent on this front when no one was really talking about the subject seriously. that trilogy sounds even more terrifying now— bernie slanders (@naxuu) March 25, 2019
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:37 (five years ago) link
xp - still, would be interested to hear the Smog & other non-Scott stuff on that. I picked it up and put it down a few times in shops that year... was always something crazy (for 1999) like £18.99. Maybe it was only an import.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 25 March 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
Just for some levity: when singing 'Boy Child' in an impressionist's Scott-voice, I often change the line following "City after city/" with "/Had your fill with quadrilles" (from Roxy Music's 'Do the Strand').
― Max Florian, Monday, 25 March 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link
I wrote this obit from the POV of a non-fan.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:07 (five years ago) link
i like your comments on climate of hunter and on his voice, alfred. you have more to say about this guy whose music you don't know well than many do of music they can sing backwards and forwards.
i do think this might be a bit overstated :
In Walker’s later music it would have been a principle betrayed
his music, even the later stuff, has its own sort of hooks, and he isn't afraid of a good climax if he wants one. he just hardly does so consistently. i really don't think that, as contrarian as much of his late work may seem, he was being determinedly "weird" or working systematically counter to the usual expectations. it's a cliché but i genuinely think he was just kind of following his own path.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:19 (five years ago) link