rank the songs on STICKY FINGERS

And "Sway" is the best song on this record, it might be my favorite Stones tune

I don't think Ringo was sloppy. Listen to 'Birthday', for example - that's a great performance. Ringo had his quirks, it's true, but Watts ineptitude is just annoying.

Moonlight Mile
You've gotta move
Bitch
Dead Flowers
Can't you hear me knocking
Sister Morphine
Sway
Wild Horses
I got the blues
Brown Sugar

Alfred otm wrt “this conversation is insane”

One trick to Ringo is the overdubbed percussion. (See also: Copeland, Stewart).

I've noticed he liked to manually double track his snare a lot. As for stuff like tambourines, maracas, shakers etc., zillions of bands did that and still do.

No, I'm pretty sure he's the only one.

alfred otm

yr all drunk

Just another Turriconvo...down the road

Ringo had his quirks, it's true, but Watts ineptitude is just annoying.

He's not the only one.

sway
all the others

turrican't you hear me trolling

Trolling? Not only have I actually expressed this opinion before - and my take is a valid one - I've also provided examples and explained my viewpoint.

It's just the usual case of people not liking what they're reading, and because they have no counter-argument they wheel out the old "X is trolling" statement.

LOL, what a clown.

You even said yourself, people have been dissing Watts' drumming for decades, so...

Certainly, it's not your opinions that are the problem here it's your way of defending them.

It’s so weird that the Stones were at the center of the 60s zeitgeist, had a string of huge hits, were one of the biggest bands in the world, lost a founding member and *then* found their signature sound almost a decade after forming.
Also Ginger is shit and would have killed the groove of most of the best Stones tunes.

It's only become their signature sound through repetition and because 1968-1972 is their most popular era, particularly for American rock critics. I'm sure that at the time albums like Beggar's Banquet and Let It Bleed just represented yet another hat that the Stones were just trying on, and they never stopped - usually driven by Mick - trying different hats on after they found their so-called "signature sound", which (if anything) became a crutch to lean on when they had either ran out of ideas or Mick-derived ideas to revitalise the Stones' sound proved to be unpopular.

Ginger's grooves are far less lumpen than Watts'

what does lumpen mean in reference to drumming

Yeah, I’m not saying the stones aren’t cynical, I’m saying their career arc is stranger than the official narrative suggests.
If only Dave Wekl or Vinnie Corlaiuta had been hanging around London in the early 60s eh?

what does lumpen mean in reference to drumming

― The Mod Who Banned Liberty Valance (WmC), Friday, April 19, 2019 9:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't help but be reminded of the days when chuck eddy was a regular and he would dismiss bands by insisting that they "didn't even have a rhythm section" or "the drummer doesn't swing"

fellas did you know Keith Richards used an open G tuning and only played 5 strings? He’s out of time all over the place and that’s why they brought in Mick Taylor to cover up his terrible playing. They should have had Eric Clapton instead.

weird that a band that had no problem sidelining Ian Stewart for looks or sacking Brian Jones for turning into Brian Jones never managed to replace their legendarily incompetent drummer. boy howdy that Charlie Watts must really have some dirt on his singer.

Revisited this afternoon. Blasting this through good speakers is one of my life’s small pleasures.

Sister Morphine was wired in high school but def tired now that I am middle-aged.
You Got To Move still makes my skip-finger twitch, nothing will ever change that.

I really really love the horns in I Got the Blues.

Charlie’s drumming on Moonlight Mile is 🙌🏻

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
Wild Horses
I Got The Blues
Dead Flowers
Brown Sugar
You Got To Move
Sister Morphine

bitch is one of the first stones album cuts i liked free of radio-conditioning, i used it in many a mix until i got to liking everything

oops i left bitch off my list ragh

redux

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
Wild Horses
Bitch
I Got The Blues
Dead Flowers
Brown Sugar
You Got To Move
Sister Morphine

bobby’s sax on bitch is so choice

yeah i think i must have been in a phase where i wanted to hear lots of songs with horn sections

i am no rs fan and i don't know the album very well. my fave rs albums have always been beggar's banquet and exile on main street.

don't get the love for sway at all. can someone explain? a boring ballad with some awful guitar wankery in the last minute. it drags on forever. and is not even 4 minutes long, quite a feat.

wild horses
can't you hear me knocking
sister morphine
bitch
i got the blues
brown sugar
you gotta move
sway
moonlight mile
dead flowers

with SWAY it's all in the Jagger performance for me, with the guitars placing second. love the mysteriousness of the lyrics and frankly "It's just that demon life has got you in its sway" is for me one of the best single lines of all-time, just as a very particular and strange assessment of tough times.

"sway" is groovy as hell

and yeah jagger is p phenomenal on it

THERE MUST BE WAYYYS to fiiind out

also weird to hear someone classify it as a ballad, it's basically the same tempo as most songs by the band

the singing on sway has a positive effect on my feelings -- esp the "one day i WOKE up to fiiiiiiiiiind/right in the BED next to miiiiiine" part for some reason?! the lyrics are totally banal but the way he sings them gives me an energy i enjoy. idk what else to say about that.

i am a fan of the sloppy guitar solo (here and in general) and the general pace/feel/dare i say "sway' of the song

i do not think of it as a ballad at all -- it's definitely more of a loose jam? idk that this type of song has a name, maybe i just don't know what the name is

yes it's the perfect song to be called SWAY, it has a particular doomy sway to it.

first Jagger plays electric rhythm too

first time, that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJTcELT2E4

"It's just that demon life has got you in its sway"

been listening to this record for 10+ years, never realized he was saying that. as a matter of fact i can barely understand anything being sung on "sway" and for me that is part of the appeal, just kind of a weird murky song where they keep saying "got me in its way" for some reason

anyway, re: charlie watts

all i want to say is i'll never forgive him for ruining the otherwise awesome ending of "can't you hear me knocking" by hitting that stupid wimpy crash symbol all by himself after everybody else in the band had stopped in unison.

i always heard it as" demon wine" and thought that was apt

is it "that demon-life" or "that demon, life"

― difficult listening hour, Monday, March 5, 2018 9:19 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(it's canonically the former i know but i adore the ambiguity as sung)

I used the Les Paul; Keith doesn't play on that track. Mick Jagger's playing rhythm guitar... (I played the slide part and the solo) at the same time. I put the slide on my little finger so it would still leave the other 3 fingers free to play like they would regularly, and I switched from one to the other. That was played in regular tuning.

- Mick Taylor, 1979

i always thought it was demon-life
demonic life

anyway, re: charlie watts

all i want to say is i'll never forgive him for ruining the otherwise awesome ending of "can't you hear me knocking" by hitting that stupid wimpy crash symbol all by himself after everybody else in the band had stopped in unison.

― budo jeru, Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:37 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, I can overlook that. His "toddler whacking upside down pans with wooden spoons" approach to drum accents on 'Sway', however...

cymbal* ha

just doublechecked that "sway" has good drums, it does

It does! I stayed out of the discussion above but it never fails to surprise me how easily people will dismiss any particular drummer for “ineptitude” or “incompetence”. I have a hard time accepting that a person on a Rolling Stones recording is either of those things. Maybe not your fave but inept? Incompetent? Nah.

well you have to admit he's no mike portnoy

I saw some clip of wankers Portney and Paul Gilbert's Beatles cover band, and iirc it was shockingly faithful/tasteful!