This Dark Heresey reissue on Svart is pretty cool
https://darkheresy.bandcamp.com/album/abstract-principles-taken-to-their-logical-extremes
If you're looking for weird riffs in the Argh*slent vein but with no abhorrent political baggage (that I'm aware of) and much more imagination, check it out. I hear a Sabbat UK influence and there's some jazzy acoustic bits.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 28 April 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
Can someone Cliff Notes what's going on with MGLA?
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
Two gigs with Deus Mortem got cancelled in Munich and Berlin due to alleged antisemitism. Members of the latter were apparently in a Nazi band called Infernal War. Mgła claims it's all just a smear campaign and will take legal action against any and all instances of 'defamation'.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
Here's an article about Infernal War, published last year after one of their shows got cancelled in the UK:
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/infernal-war-metal-band-nazi-atrocities-antisemitism-hope-not-hate-1.464498
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:06 (five years ago) link
So wait... Nobody in MGLA is sketchy? They were just playing with a band whose members *other* band was sketchy? Do I have that correct?
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:28 (five years ago) link
As far as I can tell, yes.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:34 (five years ago) link
Huh, because I definitely saw some vague comments on twitter about MGLA being "cancelled". Glad to have more context though.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
dont read the comments on mgla's facebook post
― Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
Tbf M. put out a cassette titled Judenfrei under his power electronics moniker, Leichenhalle, back in 2000, so make of that what you will.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/rtoynz4v32v21.png
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but uhhhhhhhhhh "brown mud" seems a weird inclusion.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
yeahhh that's a little odd huh
also a release called "Bloodsoil"
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
You're not the only one who did a double-take at 'brown mud'. And that's besides the defensive verbosity alone -- which, by the way, includes no disavowals or denials of what they've been accused of, only vague threats of legal action. (Like, GTF over yourselves, band that's been caught out platforming Nazis.)
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
Exactly, there certainly wasn't any heartfelt (or even feigned heartfelt) disavowal of anything in there. The "brown mud" thing struck me because it was so pointless, just "mud" would do guys.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:08 (five years ago) link
I'm not exactly shocked (that would be dumb, at this point) but as someone who really liked the Mgla releases this is pretty shitty to learn
― Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:08 (five years ago) link
Not to mention Kriegsmaschine, so yeah, this blows. I think it's safe to assume that at least 50% of BM bands are affected by the rot in some way, whether its symptoms are visible or not.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link
Mgla always bored the shit out of me so I'm fine with this development
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link
^high five!
― imago, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:36 (five years ago) link
<i>I think it's safe to assume that at least 50% of BM bands are affected by the rot in some way, whether its symptoms are visible or not.<i/>
The rot, for me, is in the feigned 'we're apolitical!' BS. Too often to me that's a couch for 'we've chosen a side: we prefer being edgy to, like, taking any kind of stand against right-wing populism'.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
Bleh messed up the tags there.
we regret to inform you that these guys making some of the most violent and hateful misanthropic music on earth are not as woke as we hoped
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:19 (five years ago) link
there's a pretty huge gap btwn "not being woke" and generalized misanthrophy vs the stuff cited in the MetalSucks post
― Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
More like I prefer it when it's just a depiction of violence and hateful misanthropy rather than a tacit vehicle for far-right propaganda. Thankfully, art is always more (and less) than what its catalyst/creator intends it to be, so I have no qualms about listening to this stuff (I won't pay for it, though). Nor do I have any qualms about saying that M. is an edgy shithead and that there are other ways of meaningfully engaging with anti-theism and the holocaust.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:42 (five years ago) link
If you're as tired of all this "which black metal band is racist this week, and how racist are we talking here, really?" bullshit as I am, here's something different.
Tanith are a NYC-based band who combine 70s hard rock/metal crunch (think BÖC, Heart) with excellent, folky male/female vocal harmonies. Their debut album, In Another Time, comes out 5/24 on Metal Blade. Here's the first song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPY_Jw-O5k0
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:39 (five years ago) link
70s hard rock/metal crunch (think BÖC, Heart) with excellent, folky male/female vocal harmonies
sold!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:41 (five years ago) link
Whoa, thanks for the Tanith recommendation, Phil! It's so much better than the black metal bs that's distracting the hive mind these days.
― A. Begrand, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
Not bad, although I still struggle with this neo-trad stuff due to its relative lack of aura. I like their touchstones but the original records' documentary value is at least half the fun for me.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 08:23 (five years ago) link
Going back to the Polish fash/black metal bs for a second, the Deus Mortem album is actually quite good and the lyrics don't contain any objectionable material as far as I can tell.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 09:00 (five years ago) link
new Misþyrming announced for 05/24
https://misthyrming.bandcamp.com/album/algleymi
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
oh and there's a new DSO album out the same day
https://deathspellomega.bandcamp.com/album/the-furnaces-of-palingenesiahttps://youtu.be/E-sNygFHM9M
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
Ok so... Palingenesis is a general philosophical term but also has a meaning specific to fascism, if it was another band perhaps there would be more cause for doubt but given what we know about their vocalist I'm not sure I can look past it personally.
It sucks because I've been a fan of theirs for years, all to do with the riffs and drumming and not the pseudo-intellectual gurgling of the frontman but I'm just so sick of this shit.
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 2 May 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
So I guess I needed a reminder that not every black metal let is a fash weenie
https://spectrallore.bandcamp.com/album/no-excuses-for-fascist-sympathy-book-of-sand-cover
And in case anyone has another speech about separating art from artist or how bm is supposed to be evil please tell it to your goldfish or something instead of me thanks
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:03 (five years ago) link
I had no idea about its fascist meaning – hardly surprising, alas. I'll listen to it when it comes out but there's no question that this lingering bullshit detracts from my enjoyment of the music.
xp
― pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
And yeah sorry I get a bit aggressive and go on about this stuff, but it gets me down. I don't judge anyone who still wants to listen to this stuff fwiw, there might even be something defiant about listening to music by people who would gladly see me dead lol
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
knowing nothing about them / their vocalist, given the direction of the imagery in that video, I would have assumed the opposite ideological bent tbh
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link
someone smarter than me will need to divine the possible significance of the title / lyrics
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:40 (five years ago) link
From the Wikipedia page on palingenesis:
British political theorist Roger Griffin has coined the term palingenetic ultranationalism as a core tenet of fascism, stressing the notion of fascism as an ideology of rebirth of a state or empire in the image of that which came before it – its ancestral political underpinnings. Examples of this are Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany...
DSO's lyrics have always had a spiritual bent and there's been no problem there at least before now (don't know about the new one though). And as I say there'd be reasonable doubt in many cases, but Aspa is an out and proud neo-Nazi.
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 2 May 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
Should we have a separate thread for black metal bullshit?
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 2 May 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
I'm not opposed to airing it out here tbh
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
I'd vote yes for a separate BM Assholes thread or something - the metal thread for me is coolest when it's about good music. I can get "this obvious black metal nazi dude has turned out to be a nazi" from every other metal source I follow.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 2 May 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't have even known about it if I hadn't posted the track here so it gets dicey. if another thread does get srted maybe we can just link to it whenever someone accidentally nazi-posts
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 May 2019 23:26 (five years ago) link
I was literally relistening to Vigilance Perennial today and wondering when we could expect new Falls of Rauros, when lo and behold...
https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2019/05/02/track-premiere-falls-of-rauros-new-inertia/
― Simon H., Friday, 3 May 2019 02:07 (five years ago) link
Regarding DSO, I don't think Mikko writes the lyrics and I'm not sure he's an out and proud neo-Nazi. Honestly, with metal and noise, I assume the worst of everyone unless they're explicitly not terrible (ie Masami Akita). He runs the forum at Special-Interests and is quite active. You could probably ask him outright if only to settle your feelings about DSO. I know Mgla is going through it now based on their Northern Heritage association.
― Yelploaf, Friday, 3 May 2019 02:29 (five years ago) link
Look I'm happy to leave the subject alone now but this article seems pretty damning, along with stuff I've read in the past there's really not much room for interpretation
https://varisverkosto.com/2019/03/the-influencers-of-the-finnish-ns-music-scene-part-3-mikko-aspa-of-northern-heritage-clandestine-blaze-vapaudenristi-sarvilevyt/
Excited for new Falls of Rauros though! (They're probably OK. Probably).
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 3 May 2019 10:39 (five years ago) link
new False album on Gilead is very good indeed - never really listened before, think the heavyhanded irony of the name put me off - is assuredly in the antifascist camp and Revolver are streaming one of its three lengthy songs it seems https://www.revolvermag.com/music/hear-black-metal-crew-falses-vicious-new-song-victual-our-dead-selves
― Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 May 2019 12:31 (five years ago) link
There's a new HammerFall song, and...well:
JOACIM CANS describes the creation of “(We Make) Sweden Rock,” “This is a glorious tribute to the Swedish hard rock and metal movement with a lyrical theme using direct references to both other bands and songs. With catchy contagious riffs and enchanting (ear-worm) melodies this song will be an instant classic at future HammerFall shows. Without the Swedish rock and metal scene with bands like Heavy Load, At the Gates and Yngwie Malmsteen the world would be a pretty boring and dull place! This is our noble tribute to all the bands that inspired not only us to play metal, form bands and eventually crusading around the world in the name of Heavy Metal. All hail the sons of the northern light!“
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwNo-pWxDAY
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 3 May 2019 13:31 (five years ago) link
Going to withhold full judgment until I can hear the full album, but uh... the Belzebubs track I heard ("Blackened Call") is actually pretty good. I was surprised. The whole album is getting rave reviews from some unexpected quarters.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link
Last thing I'll say about the fash: I've repeatedly advocated for distinguishing between the music and its maker(s) but that doesn't mean the music is in any way 'pure' or devoid of ideology – I just think it's always more (and less) than the sum total of its catalysts'/creators' political intentions, whether good or ill. So I'm perfectly alright with bringing up the matter here whenever it rears its ugly head, especially if Mikko fucking Aspa is involved. That article ultros posted about the Finnish scene sums it up quite well.
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 May 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
I've liked several tracks from that Belzebubs album.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 3 May 2019 15:31 (five years ago) link
Thanks for the link, Ultros. MA's politics are undeniable and the NS bent is explicit in Clandestine Blaze. I never sensed it in DSO which has been enough for me to enjoy the incredible music. But then again, some of my favorite metal is Graveland and Grand Belial's Key which I would never say is okay. It might be time to just be done with it all.
― Yelploaf, Friday, 3 May 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link