Other women have made claims of abuse against Chris Brown,including most recently rape accusation earlier this year.
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 06:48 (five years ago) link
Being a drug addict is no sin obv and junkie is a shitty slur
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 06:49 (five years ago) link
Why a bus full of mental patients though?
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 06:51 (five years ago) link
Being a junkie might be a shitty slur but he's a father. Or should be a father. And time and again he's been an abusive partner. And to imply my statement is racist? Please. I don't think highly of any addicted parent who neglects their duty. (Top spot for worst is my grandmother.) I know plenty pf addicts who aren't abusive. I just think in his case it brings out the worst. And racism has no relevance in my thoughts of him. It's his behavior. Not the colour of his skin. (There are plenty of caucasian artists, and non-artists, whose behavior I find despicable.)To say Rihanna forgave him: sfw. He's still a terrible person. (Case in point: how he reacted. Being run over by a bus? Meh. Full of "mental patients?" Double yuck.)Was it Tyga who said? Let's have positive energy. Fuck that. If he had proven to change his behavior, sure. But no.
― nathom, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 12:15 (five years ago) link
Btw when I said erase, I meant to imply from the stage. Jfc. Get a grip. I do not wish him harm. I just wish he was a better human being. And stop dragging the colour of his skin into it. It doesn't give him a pass, nor does it Depp/Bean/Weinstein nor any other white man.
― nathom, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 12:19 (five years ago) link
My attitude has shifted enormously about this sort of discourse once I saw white Twitter dancing jigs about XXXTentacion getting gunned down in the street, while Geneva Ayala was grieving about it. I don’t believe people have survivors prioritized. I believe Chvrches’s statement was absolutely made in reference to Rihanna. I don’t believe that Chvrches’s statement was of any benefit to Rihanna or any other potential survivors of Chris Brown’s actions. I don’t support Chris Brown’s response or really fuck with him or his music, but I won’t ever deny that the man’s talent is incandescent, and I definitely think that in general white people pile on overzealously on black male public figures
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 13:55 (five years ago) link
as much as i've observed white people getting a tantalizingly-close-to-racist thrill from shitting on chris brown i do think his apparent incandescent talent is irrelevant to this conversation unless you believe that talent has permanently earned him his space in culture and that none of his actions have any impact on the size of that space. i think chvrches statement was absolutely made in reference to how powerless one feels when they see an abuser constantly rescued by an industry that makes money off of them, idk
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:11 (five years ago) link
I definitely think that in general white people pile on overzealously on black male public figures
... you do realize not everyone on ILX, or the world for that matter, is American?
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
Let's not forget his classy chain choice shortly after the Rihanna thing. At the very least, he seems to have always come across as an unapologetic douchebag whenever he gets called out for his behavior.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZuXhNPn_MXk/S9RnU__xqBI/AAAAAAAAAIc/sYtj2ARimQg/s1600/opps-chain.jpg
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:17 (five years ago) link
as much as i've observed white people getting a tantalizingly-close-to-racist thrill from shitting on chris brown i do think his apparent incandescent talent is irrelevant to this conversation unless you believe that talent has permanently earned him his space in culture and that none of his actions have any impact on the size of that space.
He doesn't have a place in my life. But I also don't go out of my way to call him out... I recognize that the majority of his fans are black women, and that it is likely that those fans won't appreciate or be interested in the opinions of white men or women commenting on him and his actions. I would imagine that it would be dehumanizing for a black (female) Chris Brown fan to observe white voices intruding into their relationship with his music, calling him an "abuser", when in their perception, he did his time and was forgiven by the survivor of his violence. Added to this is a reenforcement of the rush-judgement toward black men being criminals. I don't think it's a good look. I hate that Chvrches are getting death threats, they do not deserve them. I understand why people would be moved to such anger and vitriol.
i think chvrches statement was absolutely made in reference to how powerless one feels when they see an abuser constantly rescued by an industry that makes money off of them, idk
I don't use the word "abuser" very often any more, if at all, as I have observed its usage to capitalize off the ambiguity of its non-specificity, and the black-and-white dichotomies that "abuse" and "abuser" imply. I have seen the usage of the word used more often by people who are themselves attempting to engage in harmful and manipulative and controlling behaviour, rather than people who are actually trying to achieve any sense of justice. So I don't personally use it. More specifically than Chris Brown being an "abuser", he's a felon who pled guilty to a charge of domestic abuse, he was arrested on cannabis possession, had a restraining order placed against him by another girlfriend, and had a sexual assault charge against him dropped.
Again. He doesn't have a place in my life. But I question, as always, if white people are thinking about how their comments about someone like Chris Brown being an "abuser" makes his black fans feel, if it might not re-enforce long-standing feelings of systemic persecution by the justice system, if it might not re-enforce long-held cultural stereotypes about black men being violent criminals, and if their comments are actually are doing anything to benefit or protect past survivors of the individual's abuse and/or future survivors.
nathom, my frustration with this issue is a response to the discourse-at-large and I focused this frustration on you with the post I made last night and it was repugnant and I apologize
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
ok!
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
Actually you made some valid points. And thank you for elaborating.
― nathom, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
It wasn't repugnant btw. Not at all.
Ah thanks. I felt like I was being an asshole, I really shouldn't post after midnight my brain is like Gremlins
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:13 (four hours ago)
Are you saying you think this is strictly an American phenomenon?
― nashwan, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
No, but this context is American and fgti explains it from an American viewpoint, and maybe fgti is very familiar with the situation in countries outwith the US - in which case I defer to fgti - otherwise I don't believe you can switch from the American to the general, especially as nathom is not American. And this happens all the time on ILX.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
There was virtually a whole thread of darraghmac and jordan s (I think?) going toe-to-toe over it.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link
fgti is not american
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
Canadian. Not exactly Belgium, is it?
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:24 (five years ago) link
... maybe don't answer that
We have had nearly a decade of Rehabilitate Chris Brown military-industrial complex and now we have a band who have had to up their security because they're recieving rape and death threats for calling it out.Yes black artists are disproportionately attacked for things like this because they are disproportionately attacked for everything relative to white artists but even bearing that in mind no one should be choosing this hill to die on.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
Also without wanting to downplay the racial element it's not like we haven't just had nearly two years' worth of #MeToo and an intensely nasty backlash to it, of which this is another symptom.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
I hate that Chvrches are getting death threats, they do not deserve them. I understand why people would be moved to such anger and vitriol.
o_0
― One Eye Open, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
Understanding =/= endorsement
Good posts Matt DC
― 🇨🇦 (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
Tbh I am extremely doubtful that the abuse Chvrches are getting is predominantly motivated by racial injustice, especially given the parts of the internet where this story has blown up. And while we're talking about toxic biases it doesn't take a genius to work out which member of the band is getting the worst of the threats and abuse.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
If you read what Brown actually posted it seems very much in asshole character ("a speeding bus full of mental patients"). Writing "TA-TA. GOODDAY PEASANTS" at them is kinda mostly lolsad - I'm probably trying too hard to read it as he also thinks they're from England.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
it doesn't take a genius to work out which member of the band is getting the worst of the threats and abuse
oh yeah, no way they get 1/10 the grief over this sans Lauren
― Simon H., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
ime men sending a woman sexual violence threats over the internet are generally motivated by the impulse of "when a woman says something bad about something i like i threaten her w/sexual violence via the internet" & little more. like we can talk about how the media and white ppl talk about chris brown and black entertainers without extending the hand of understanding to chuds sending a woman their sex-torture fantasies
― One Eye Open, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFGq92BYmt4
new track for Death Stranding is much better than nearly all the last album
― ufo, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
oh yeah this plays way more to their strengths
― Simon H., Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link
this seems more promising yeah (that said is it just me or the mixing... not great)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
I like how this performance sounds like it's just barely being held together
https://youtu.be/AGKpjOfjz48
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:18 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjxq36QcUDI
really like this bc it reminds me of perfume
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
I'm here for this
― winters (josh), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
feels like an improvement from the last album
― ufo, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 04:22 (three years ago) link
reminding myself that the first four songs on the debut is like the best music ever lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
opening run on every open eye arguably even better
"leave a trace" ;_;
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link
good song, love this band and looking forward to some new stuff
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link
I put Love is Dead on the other day, and was surprised to find that it has grown on me quite a bit. Still not as strong as the first two, but not the disappointment I pegged it as at the time. Looking forward to the new stuff now.
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
next single is gonna have robert smith on it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link
hyyype
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link
matt berninger, hideo kojima and now robert smith....they know their audience
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOjc7xtaPes
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
I like this!
But also, let's stop distracting him from finishing a new Cure record pls.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
He'll move at his pace. Anyway yes, a lovely song and another good guest turn.
It's also long past overdue for him to do a second Join the Dots set just because the amount of one-offs, guest appearances, collaborations and more pretty well approaches 2 CDs for this century alone.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link
His guest spots for the last 20 years are consistently great, unlike the same period's two Cure albums. Encouraging him to do more pop-ins is surely only more likely to prompt him to make more music in general, too.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
Jeez guys I was just joking because I want a new Cure record. I'm glad he does these pop-ins!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
I figured! Ned and I were just musing, I guess
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
oh this is cool, especially the outro. sounds more like the cure than chvrches, very obvious why they got robert smith to guest on it & he does a great job
― ufo, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link
poll of robert smith pop-ins from the past 20 years
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link