is there even a b side to this
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 07:03 (five years ago) link
I think what you mean to say is...
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 07:10 (five years ago) link
In the defence of Pop is Dead (said no one over), I think it has some cool guitar work by Jonny in it; a couple of riffs that almost sound proto-the-end-bit-of-Paranoid Anroid.
― triggercut, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 07:17 (five years ago) link
I've never thought about it that way before, but I very much hear what you're talking about. I think Greenwood's guitar playing is always worth listening to (I feel the same way about his brother's bass playing) but most of all I enjoy hearing how the three guitarists play off each other, and there's plenty of that in evidence on this album.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
as overplayed as it is, Creep is really a good song!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
Without going back and listening to this again, I'm going with my 1993 assessmen: Creep is totally buzz bin worthy. The rest is somewhere between boring and actively bad (I'm remember being particularly annoyed by "anyone can play guitar").I had lots of albums back then where I only really enjoyed one song (blind melon, spacehog, neds atomic dustbin), and this was one of them.
― enochroot, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link
It sucks that your 1993 self somehow managed to overlook 'You', 'Stop Whispering', 'Ripcord', 'Lurgee' and 'Blow Out' ... perhaps you should give it another try!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
Been thinking about you, your records are hereYour eyes are on my wall, your teeth are over thereBut I'm still no one, and you're now a starWhat do you care?Been thinking about you, and there's no restShould I still love you, still see you in bedBut I'm playing with myself?What do you care when the other men are far, far better?
thom doesn't sing that question mark
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
i never really got the jeff buckley comparison with thom. i've also never listened to this album which opens with a jeff buckley song, complete with the word 'fire' sung in a sexy growl and helium jim morrison screams
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
I've just realised that 'Vegetable' does a similar trick to 'Everything In Its Right Place' meter-wise: 1 x 4/4 + 1 x 2/4 + 1 x 4/4 = 10 beats.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
they dedicated the bends to jeff iirc xp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I'm indifferent to a lot of this record these days, but I still enjoy the three-song stretch of "How Do You"/"Stop Whispering"/"Thinking About You" way more than anything the band has done post-Kid A.― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, June 3, 2019 5:55 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, June 3, 2019 5:55 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i love post-kid A radiohead but agree that this three-song stretch is best. i'm voting for "stop whispering" because it is a good mumbled cover of Authority Song.
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
(yeah, we all know that John Mellencamp made other albums before this)
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwVQRx1IGac
How 'bout this one? My mate and I would always do the "uhm. this is a song called...this is a song called Yes I Am" in a Thom Yorke voice before we practiced playing basically any song together.
― triggercut, Thursday, 6 June 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
realized the closest analogue to the REM-backed alt-Mellencamp of 'Stop Whispering' is any Clap Your Hands Say Yeah song, and that means that any Clap Your Hands Say Yeah song is my vote for best song on Pablo Honey
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link
Nah, I disagree. 'Stop Whispering' is a good song that people have often falsely believed is shite, whereas Clap Your Hands Say Yeah are legitimately shite and always were.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
I appreciate that this poll convinced me to finally listen to the whole album, and it's not all bad. but the Ripcord-Vegetable-Prove Yourself run hasn't gotten better with repetition. I would have voted 'blow out' if the ending wasn't so on the nose and bad.
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link
Aeroplane do I mean what I mean?Oh it's inevitable, inevitable, oh aeroplaneA thousand miles an hourOn politics and powerThat she don't understandNo ripcord, no ripcordNo ripcord, no ripcord
thom yorke is canceled btw
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
To be fair, Yorke's lyrics have always been one of the lesser parts of the Radiohead experience, even on their most well-regarded works. It's always been a feature of the band that most have been willing to overlook. For example: "he used to do surgery for girls in the '80s/but gravity always wins" - great fake tits reference there, Thomas!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
The ending section to 'Blow Out' is the best part, IMO!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
always thought he was talking about someone's face
his lyrics are especially bad on this record, he actually developed a lyrical voice on the bends
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
I agree that he got better at it, but still...
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
xxp it's not terrible. it should probably stop at 3:40
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
the way it drags on and kinda fades out also doesn't read as a 'blow out'
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
his lyrics are still pretty inconsistent on The Bends but a big step up from Pablo Honey, and from OK Computer onwards his lyrics are generally good to great. not sure what there is complain about with them
― ufo, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
yep
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
i agree
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
There's the occasional pearl, but just as often they're unremarkable (sometimes purposefully so) and sometimes a little silly when looked at cold.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
you're gonna have to expand on that
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
Yorke's approach to writing lyrics on Kid A and Amnesiac is well documented and pretty much common knowledge - I don't have to expand on that at all, they're basically there to vaguely push buttons and not shake the tree*. Personally, I think "jumped into the river, what did I see/black clad angels swam with me" to be a really silly lyric when read cold off paper, basically sixth-form poetry nonsense, although I appreciate that the person who once wrote "These are the brake lights bruising the dark, making impressionistic arcs in time with your cigarette" might not see this.
*'Agadoo' - Black Lace.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
ayo, you're a huge piece of shit for bringing a lyric i wrote into this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
a huge piece of shit
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
please get your dumb ass banned and join your intellectual equals on the steve hoffman boards
Well, we are talking about the topic of lyrics here, and you did ask me to expand. What better way of understanding what a person sees as a yardstick for a great lyric than an example of what they've created themselves? By the way, being a critic and being unable to take it quite as well as you give it is not a good look.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:57 (five years ago) link
what the fuck is wrong with you
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
that wasn't criticism, you've never written something that qualifies as "criticism" in your entire fucking life, that was a jibe at something i wrote
FUCK OFF TURRICAN
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
However you perceive it, the same thing applies.
(x-post)
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
If you feel that you’ve been misunderstood during this one particular incident, you are failing to remember the last trillion times you’ve been a fucking prick. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore because everyone saw through your disingenuous bullshit the 10th time you puked it out
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Only one way to get this pestilent off the board.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
In retrospect, evangelizing Pablo Honey as a misunderstood masterpiece album probably should have been seen as an attempt to goad the mods into banning him
― Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
ending your thread with a protracted and unpleasant blow out is a bit on the nose, Turrican
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
LOL
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
Putting aside the fact that I could wax lyrical about how interloping guitars evoke a miasma of anguish like a piece of unwelcome correspondence puncturing the false comfort of the ante meridiam or how a lone brass line swells and splinters into chords like light from a sunrise bursting through a prism placed just beyond a crack in the curtains or how hi-hats flicker across the stereo field like a canine tongue on its own testicles, but I very much choose not to, would you guys like to put forward some examples of legitimately great lyrics you think that Yorke wrote?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
first of all, i don't take requests from thom-yorke-didn't-write-his-own-lyrics truthers
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
In retrospect, evangelizing Pablo Honey as a misunderstood masterpiece album probably should have been seen as an attempt to goad the mods into banning him― Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, June 6, 2019 6:09 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, June 6, 2019 6:09 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Who was evangelizing this album as a misunderstood masterpiece? Nobody was saying that, least of all me. I do think it's better than its reputation, though, and I felt we'd reached a point in time where it was worth discussing.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:17 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
aiiight i'm out, enjoy your own personal music message board turrican
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
pablo honey is better than its reputation. now please be like pablo honey.
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
it's not terrible. it should probably stop at 3:40― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, June 6, 2019 5:11 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthe way it drags on and kinda fades out also doesn't read as a 'blow out'― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, June 6, 2019 5:14 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, June 6, 2019 5:11 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, June 6, 2019 5:14 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Really? I'm not sure I couldn't imagine it any shorter, it would just feel wrong to me. The band themselves haven't really felt the need to chop any bits of it or rearrange it in a radically different way, so I'm assuming they feel the ending appropriate. I agree that the lengthy ending doesn't read as a 'blow out', but whoever said the title was a description of the contents?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
i suppose it could be a reference to turning everything to stone. it's just not a very interesting bit for me. it's not beautiful or jarring. the particular sound is like something you'd get from turning on every effect in your built-in amplifier effects box. reverb and distortion kind of cancel each other.
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 June 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link