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if you go and reload blissblog, you might be suprised to find that reynolds isn't a million (or even twelve) miles away from miccio on this one. "a bit of a flailing, over-egged pudding", to be precise.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Oh god. Maybe I was wrong, then (still haven't done that relisten, will around midnight). He totally pulls a Momus on the Outkast album in that post.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

reynolds is wrong wrong wrong

stevem (blueski), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

So far, Miccio's posts make me want to hear Kish Kash more than less....but then, opinions always give me the buzz to make up me own mind.

Remedy and Rooty made me boogie when I saw them 'played' live, BTW.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

"I think to say that there isn't a newness and wackiness which is appealing is to like the album in a very different way to myself. I mean I find Lucky Star absolutely manic, and completely wacky, it makes me want to dance because it's just so weird but not just a groove, it's beyond that."

Ronan I think that the point is that the songs are manic *and* totally natural sounding grooves. The entire project of the three albums taken in succession is "how far away from a conventional house groove can we push this and still make people dance like it *is* a conventional house groove even though it's not?" I think this is particularly obvious you compare the singles from each album.

If the Jaxx actually went overboard into totally non-groovy wackiness (it could happen, although in fact I'm half expecting their next album to be relatively straightforward for some reason) it would actually be a bit like what Reynolds describes Kish Kash as being.

As is common with really good dance producers, the duo treat their choice of "genre" like a rubberband, stretching it as far as it can go without snapping. You can feel the tension created in the music, and it's that, coupled with the realisation that this rubberband really should have snapped by now, which makes the music so exciting. Obviously once the band does snap though all the tension is lost (presumably see The Love Below here - I've yet to hear it).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

haha Tim always say what I want to say in much more eloquent and inspired ways (damn you Tim!!)

one question i have for those who seem to be setting up an opposition between the wackiness and the groove element -- it seems to me that here the wackiness is an essential constituent of the groove itself; it's stitched right into each song's fabric rather than being stacked on top of it like so many jenga pieces. which is part of the reason why i find this album so enthralling. it's the gift that keeps on giving.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

that's it exactly, Geeta. it's much more P-Funk than Prince in that way, maximalism as its own reward.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

Hey-hey-HEY! My point was that B-Jaxx still *are* a dance outfit, that that's what they're continuing to be and that's what this album has reconfirmed - that they make people dance. Hence my bafflement at the easy slating of the album for having too many ideas and such, when they're mostly aimed at the single goal of getting butts on the floor (and showing off their new and improved production chops). They've never been as al about the repetitive loops and grooves of their contemporaries but having left that approach long behind, they ain't quite getting the credit from others that I'd give 'em myself. Not that I control or can change people's minds or anythig. Still, comforting that Tim gets it (but you usually do, dude), as does geeta.

Mind you Ned, that was kinda amusing. 'Fells Like Home' as the blueprint for BJ4, haha.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, having gone through the whole thing last night, this is how it's looking for the dancers: 'Plug It In' > 'Lucky Star' > 'Good Luck' > 'Right Here's The Spot' > 'Cish Cash'.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 08:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I was surprised by Simon's review. Perhaps he is just disgusted that Jess and Matos had this album in March 1987.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

as long as people don't read it and go 'oh well that's that sorted then'

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

"Yeah I was surprised by Simon's review. Perhaps he is just disgusted that Jess and Matos had this album in March 1987."

He didn't much like Rooty either, apart from "Get Me Off" and "Where's Your Head At" (ie. the most straightforward grooves on the album). Maybe he just prefers the Jaxx really stripped back.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think they will Steve, or I doubt it anyway. If mohammed abba was here he would say "it isn't a sermon from the mount people".

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

But steve, this is precisely the sort of thing I've been on about. Clearly, I have got to Breakaway...

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

Simon is hardly saying anything new with the exception of prefering the last third to the rest.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:05 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone else feel they've fuX0red up the mastering of this LP? it sounds really muddy on my system at home. I don't remember those mp3s that stevem uploaded being that way. I'll try it on headphones tonight.

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

It sounds fairly good on headphones to me. Still, I reckon they should've recorded it in Japan.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

B-Jaxx's pop credentials amongst many other things have always made them 'more' than a 'dance act', which is a further reason fo' my mild ire, lads.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

Matt DC leads the Jaxx defence charge shockah!http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/8207.html

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

i don't think negative comments about an album have bugged me like this for quite some time to be honest. in any case i expect the forthcoming live shows to be phenomenal (but will they be able to lure Dizzee on stage if not Siouxie? it MUST happen) - Barima did you get your ticket yet?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

I don't mind the "it's too busy" comments because it is a very very busy album in places. The reviews that have been bugging me are the ones which go "Of course dance music is dying - Basement Jaxx have come to revive it - nice try I suppose - three stars".

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

yeh, it's like the assumption that Radiohead not relying on guitars much is automatically a bad idea (shut it!)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

Saturday, right? Um, no.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

Ocean's sold the fuck out, as is the ridge so I'm looking at The Forum and Hammersmith. I'm dumb.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

The Palais, then? I'll go solo but I want a damn good night in return.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

i'm goin to the Palais gig, as are Toby and Anna i think.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

Booking now, please standby. Or shall I leave you to play gooseberry ;-)?

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

don't worry about me, i shall pick and choose a female accomplice from the huge list i have....right......here...

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

i did actually book two tickets but not got them yet. trying to blag more too as cover. i know it's Hammersmith but i'm sure many would like to come.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

So, shall I buy the second off you or will you let someone from that escort agency have it ;-)?

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I must also say that I'm pretty certain Simon had the Jaxx at least as far back as we did, it only got leaked once promos were out. He was the biggest Jaxx booster around for a long time so he probably got a promo too.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I was joking when I said that, no sleight to anyone involved intended.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

"nathalie otm on dizzee and jc"
i read this as "nathalie otm on jizzee and dc"

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

yeah we're going to the hammersmith gig, as are some friends of mine, so there's no need to worry about playing gooseberry. my tickets haven't arrived yet either.

i was listening to kish kash on the way home and getting very, very excited about seeing them again. it's going to be even betten than it was two years ago, i think.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Palais, Friday 12th December? Tickets duly purchased :)

I've never seen the Jaxx before... can't possibly afford to miss out on this!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

I hope they come to Dublin soon. I've seen them twice, once on the last tour was enough, I had an amazing time the first time and expected the same the second time but it felt familiar.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

maximalism as its own reward.

I'm still feeling this album's only POSSIBLE reward is maximalism but I must confess that parts of "Plug It In" are stickin' with me now (the title track too and I've GOT to hear the Rascal album). I guess me and Reynolds agree that Jaxx's pop songs are more invigorating then their maximalism. Though you're definitely right that it's more Clinton and Prince (though Jaxx could stand to incorporate a little more Bootsy).

While I think JC does a great job on his song, I don't know if Jaxx would make good producers for him. Timberlake was in a situation where the producers accidently made him their bitch by providing beats he didn't have the presence to ride confidently. Jaxx seem like they WANT to make the singers their bitches on this album, treating them like just another button to press (and it's not like they need more buttons to press). But people enjoying this as maximalism for maximalism's sake makes a LOT more sense to me than some of the other arguments do.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

I'm back on the team - ooo-rah.

I'm gonna disagree with you, Anthony. I think they happily make the singers their bitches because it's their album and their name on the cover. I'm sure they'd see the difference when actually producing for someone else. And I do think JC has some notable presence on my fave Kish Kash track.

And I'm kinda sure you might get a little opposition to your reading of Justified. Personally, I don't quite see it as an artist album - anyone can see JT had a lot of input in the finished work. Still, you're basically asking Dan and Ned to start up again...

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Basement Jaxx productions for other artists in the past on their own Atlantic Jaxx label have retained jaxx hallmarks but not at the compromise of the singer's own equities - i'm thinking of Corrina Joseph, Ronnie Richards etc. - but that's quite a few years ago. Kish Kash really is the most full on jam packed thing they've done. i think i enjoy the maximalism thing because it makes a good change from bloody microhouse, broken beat etc. even the Chemical Brothers (previously the Jaxx only rivals in super-puncutation of grooves with a dazzling array of fx and events) have gone more minimal lately (Golden path, Nude Nights etc.) and i'm not sure this is good. that said, this is definitely not the only advantage to Kish Kash. there's just a really great powerful vibe running through it as there was with the other two. tempted to equate it with Return Of The King (only i haven't seen that yet) because there's strong consistency throughout the three LOTR films and i don't have a favourite as a result - so many great bits in each one. sounds like a daft comparison maybe. ah well who cares.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

Still, you're basically asking Dan and Ned to start up again...

*whistles idly*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Actually what I'm saying is you can't help but look at Timbaland on Justified where on Kish Kash Jaxx is screaming LOOK AT US!!! which I find annoying when I'm trying to hear the actual song. And when the song is made up in a large part of various screams of LOOK AT US! (as Geeta's post kind of said but in a positive way), it's gonna annoy folx like me, who prefer good singers to maximalism.

But yeah, I'm sure Jaxx tone it down a bit on the albums they produce for other people. It's just I think they should tone it down on their own albums too. Producers saying their own names repeatedly on their own albums is still annoying, if less overbearing in principle than when they're producing someone else.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, after 'Cry Me A River', does anyone look at Timba on Justified once they've done with that track? Outside of CMAR, I'll agree JT can't carry Tim's other tracks but outside '(Oh No) What You Got', the other two, well, suck somewhat. You kinda feel, reheated Michael Jackson rejects or not, that the Neps and JT collaborated more closely on their tracks, even ignoring that Pharrell bumped Off The Wall and Thriller with Justin before getting down to business.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

"but that Timberlake overpowers both"

The funny thing is that you inadvertantly reinforced why both Dan and I dislike the album so much!

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), September 7th, 2003.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, Barima, most of the tracks on it aren't top-notch. I was definitely simplifying the scenario.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

Um, on Justified or Kisk Kash, Anthony?

The 'you feel' bit of that post is hypothetical in case you thought I might have been intepreting your thoughts for you. Basically, it was sayin' somethin' like -

Pharell: "I want you to sound like Michael Jackson"

JT - "Why the hell not? But only if I can say "drums!" on one track and impersonate a woman."

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

And even giving you the Jaxx screams (which I think they gotta righ ta and and I guess have a higher tolerance of/love for them), I don't quite get Tim's on Justified outside of fun beat changes and synths - basically, trademark Tim. I mean, the wack 2 are kinda downbeat Tim anyway. How minimal is 'Right For Me' again? It's Justin's fault for not taking as much command of those ones as he should've, you ask me.

Anyway, in my head JC and BJaxx have the same idyllic relationship Richard X and Javine have or (in reality) Donna and Giorgio, Bangalter and Guy-Man/Falcon, Michael with Quincy (and sanity), Cornelius and Kahimi and Prince had with reality.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

I meant Justified. Yeah, it's not ENTIRELY Justin's fault, but on Kish Kash it feels like they're constantly undercutting the singers, lest they get more attention than Jaxx, where Timbaland and Neptunes gave the kid room to breathe and he got faint anyway. I'm curious how many things Jaxx added AFTER the vocals were done, cuz the singers don't seem too aware of their surroundings.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

Thinking along similar lines, Anthony, I'll concur with stevem and such way upthread that on Romeo, for example, Kele was vaguely anonymous (but still very damn good!) and still feel (in line with you here) she had a smidge more room on her track than JC on his. Lisa does have the most presence, yet still falls victim to Jaxx vocal co-option syndrome. But I always feel most vocal Jaxx traxx couldn't work as well without the specific collaborator and I think Kish Kash holds this up as well. I certainly can't imagine anyone getting away with Me'shells' "I fancy you" roxorness and Dizzee is Dizzee.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

Me'shell completely owns both of the songs she does on the Jaxx album.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

Basement Jaxx have returned to give dance music a much needed slap in the chops.

Looking at this line from the original press release that started this thread, I prefer a rewording to 'a much needed slop in the chaps.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link


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