the Rolling Thunder Revue is great if you like overplaying and coked-up shouting
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
hmm well i *do* like rock and roll music...
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
This opinion isn't controversial.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
That is precisely why I haven't watched it, as a matter of fact.
― timellison, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
Based on their first album, Magma are an okay-ish band.
― pomenitul, Monday, 22 July 2019 14:21 (five years ago) link
the best replacements song is TMBG's "hi we're the replacements"
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link
More or less, it seems to me over recent years that:
- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically hate an indie act they heard about- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically like a pop act they heard about
Just an impression I have; I don't have enough citations to back that up in a debate at the moment
― Evan, Monday, 9 December 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
What about indie pop?
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 December 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
Under my anecdotal premise I guess I feel like that leans towards "automatically like" generally as well? IDK
― Evan, Monday, 9 December 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Speaking purely personally, I have heard enough indie guitar music to last me a lifetime, and any new music of this sort has to be either very good or very novel to not seem like a total waste of time.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
always happy to oblige!
― imago, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
I was convinced I'd get more pushback for making generalizations like this. Was inspired by the Car Seat Headrest discussions. Everyone on ilx seems to want to give that guy a swirly.
― Evan, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
the phrase "indie landfill" came about for a reason. the bar there is so, so low compared to pop music, which is as brutal and cutthroat a competition as one gets.
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
"moondance" would be a much, much better record if only van morrison had had the good sense to excise the title track
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link
which is trash
I think it's a good album with or without "Moondance". Not quite as good as "Tupelo Honey" though (the album, not the song).
― o. nate, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:41 (four years ago) link
I enjoy the song, but it is a bit corny and out of place on there.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:44 (four years ago) link
Queen is overrated.
I like ketchup but a tablespoon of it is enough. Queen is, like, an entire cup of ketchup.
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 July 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link
The Police were mainly brilliant
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link
Cirith Ungol's vocalist sounds like he's been trying to shit for 20 years
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link
Are any of these controversial?
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
most say he sounds like he's been trying to shit for only 15
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
cosign on above three controps
anyway...
modern doom metal is 95% gear and 5% ideas / talent / songs
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 13 July 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
Because I don't want to derail the Jane's Addiction thread…
('Three Days'/'Then She Did' are awesome when PF holds his peace btw.)
Come to think of it, the (long) 1980s are probably the decade in rock I struggle with the most, to this day, and I wonder whether this is typical of post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomers such as myself. There are countless classics from that era that I do enjoy more often than not but that I've never wholeheartedly embraced, such as…
The FallGuns n' RosesHüsker DüJudas PriestMetallicaMinutemenMotörheadMy Bloody ValentineNick Cave & The Bad SeedsPrinceRushThe SmithsTalking HeadsXTCetc.
I don't dislike any of these acts per se and there's enough amazing music between them that I could never relinquish, but I still would never think of including them in my personal canon. Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.
I guess I never completely overcame the 'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link
no decade responsible for “no ufos” could possibly be the worst decade ever
― brimstead, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.
― pomenitul, Monday, August 3, 2020 2:09 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk why but this felt like a prevailing sentiment among regular (non-music-obsessed) people when i was growing up (in the late 90s, 00s), and it took me a while to overcome that inherited bias, too. i basically feel the opposite way now, fwiw.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link
I have no idea where it came from, exactly. Did people in the 80s think 70s music was utter garbage?
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link
post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomersThere’s a term for this, you know (lol)
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
I know and I manifestly hate it lol.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
I think the whole stupid "Disco Sucks!" thing which went very mainstream helped to seal off the 60s and 70s as this "when music was good" period in a lot of lazy ppl's minds
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
The 70s as a whole was viewed as utter garbage in the UK, and still is to a very great extent, it's all the Wurzels/ Leeds United/ inflation/ Confessions of a Window Cleaner/ Love Thy Neighbour/ strikes/ the Troubles etc. Irredemably grim and uncool. Pretty unfair of course - apart from Leeds United.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.
So, not a fan of post punk then?
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
I like post-punk a lot, but nowhere near as much as the true believers. Still, it’s one of the clear highlights of that era for me.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
I've never heard "The '80s are crap," not when '80s comps got releases in 1993 and 1994. What I DO hear, and it drives me bats, is how a DX-7 sound is "dated," "of its time," while some Rickenbacker jangle from 1965 is "timeless."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:39 (four years ago) link
Joy Division, This Heat, Wire, The Cure and PiL are the ones I return to the most.xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
I grew up in the US in the 80s, and yes, it felt like the entire decade of the 70s had been memory holed. 70s music and styles went through quite a rehabilitation in the 90s.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
xpI definitely did absorb some "80s are bad" propaganda, grounded in that exact "dated sound" double standard. I grew up being told that early digital sounds were cheap or cheezy compared to 60s and 70s analogue (what was less clear was what 90s sounds were; if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better").
― rob, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
what was less clear was what 90s sounds were; if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better" if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better"
Yes, that sounds right.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
A lot of digital tech fell out of favor and was replaced with either vintage or vintage-emulating gear. For example, there was a big boost of interest in tube amplifiers.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
early 80s is one of the best times for music ever, late 80s is patchy but loads of brilliant dance music, and plenty of other good stuff out there. Mid 80s is a bit of a dead zone, like 85/86 especially, and must have seemed horrible compared to half a decade earlier, I was a bit too young to really be paying attention, but this is what wlmy research indicates
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
and the R&B 1980-1986 = amazing
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
I am an 80s creature and I always will be. There were times in the 80s when top 40 radio felt (to me) like a delirious and fairly diverse party, with things that were truly inexplicable existing side-by-side.
When I was in junior high school it would have felt totally normal to hear "Valley Girl," "Word Up," "Pass the Dutchie," "She Blinded me with Science," "Mexican Radio," "Rock the Casbah," "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun," "Everyday I Write the Book," "Red Red Wine," "I Feel for You," "Jam on it," "Rhythm of the Night," "Let's Dance," "Down Under," "Puttin' on the Ritz," "Rock me Amadeus," "Union of the Snake," "Crazy for You," "Night Shift," "Whip It," and "Beat it" in quick succession. Sure, Casey Kasem was filtering everything and major record labels were the devil (as ever). But to me (the white kid in a black neighborhood), pop music felt pretty optimistic and open and embracing.
I admit I don't have a ton of evidence for this (and will probably get thoroughly dragged) but: it feels to me like in subsequent years, radio listenership (and individual listening patterns) became more siloed after that. When I got to high school there were metal kids and new-wave kids and pop kids and rap kids; people tended to focus their listening rather than broadening it.
― we slept on the banks on the leaves of a banyan tree (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
Interesting. As a kid in the late 80s, it already seemed like a lot of people thought the 80s sucked (and I wasn't always inclined to disagree). 60s stuff seemed especially revered but rock radio was also pretty heavy on 70s artists. If anything, a lot of the contemporary songs on rock radio were still by people like the Wilburys, Robert Plant, Clapton, Tom Petty, Rush, Genesis, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick.
I mean, these artists weren't really the 80s as most people experienced them, I don't think:
The FallHüsker DüMinutemenMy Bloody ValentineNick Cave & The Bad SeedsThe SmithsXTC
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:27 (four years ago) link
I mean, these artists weren't really the 80s as most people experienced them, I don't think
True – likewise, my perception of the 90s is a crude mixture of imprinted memories and retrospective discoveries and projections.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link
Compared to the 90s, the 80s were far more experimental, diverse, and interesting
Music has gotten worse with every successive decade imo
but I'm old
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
Music peaked in 1927. There is still some good stuff out there now though.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
I've stopped rating albums on RYM for the most part because it had become a meaningless chore for me but out of the 24 (non-classical) releases to which I gave five stars, only one is from the 80s and it's ECM-style chamber jazz. Nine are from the 90s, so yeah, we're all hopelessly biased.
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
xxp Related thought (and counterpoint) from Scott Miller in Music: What Happened (I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but it's an interesting line of argument):
The nineties were better than the eighties, and one key reason was that there was less originality. Originality is unmusical. The urge to do music is an admiring emulation of music one loves; the urge toward originality happens under threat that the music that sounds good to you somehow isn't good enough.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
i.e., the 80s may indeed have been more experimental and diverse, but that didn't necessarily make the music better (for Miller, at least).
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Monday, 3 August 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link
Agree to disagree. When I think of the 80s, I think of Erasure, Husker Du, and Cyndi Lauper. When I think of the 90s, I think of Silverchair, Collective Soul, and 4 Non Blondes
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 August 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link