do not see what people don't like in the Fallon performance -- it's good! what's bad about it is the "this is how we do music on tv shows" staging/lighting stuff, which is superfluous anyway -- but I don't like what I've heard of the Clark-produced stuff at all; Clark's every-detail-accounted-for wide-lens style is fine for her but doesn't play to any of Sleater-Kinney's strengths imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:02 (five years ago) link
All drummers, huh
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:07 (five years ago) link
Keith Moon recorded a number of skits for BBC radio
with viv stanshall, no less
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:19 (five years ago) link
What could go wrong
https://thejohnfleming.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/keithmoon_vivstanshall.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:22 (five years ago) link
comedy is cancelled
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:33 (five years ago) link
JCLC I mean if you like it that’s fine but for me the energy is not there, the playing is limp, and the choreography looks uncomfortable and forced.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:50 (five years ago) link
I can't believe Ut got dragged into this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 11:57 (five years ago) link
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Stella Mozgawa turned up as their drummer, she's kind of perfect― change display name (Jordan), Monday, July 1, 2019 10:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, July 1, 2019 10:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I'm really hoping that she tours as a part of whatever Desert Sessions recording thing she is rumored to have done with Josh Homme earlier this year, so please don't give her to Sleater-Kinney yet.
― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link
the playing is good! I don't like the choreography at all either, it feels very flown-in-from-someplace-else: what's that add to the song? to the presentation? zero afaic but some people get really invested in that end of things lately. I blame Sufjan
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:27 (five years ago) link
xp: wait, I might be wrong about that. Could be Carla Azar.
― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link
the direct lineage with the choreography would be David Byrne -> St Vincent -> Sleater-Kinney
― ufo, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
I dunno, St. Vincent has been doing this cold formalist thing for a while. Byrne can be goofy and awkward, but at least to me he always exudes a certain warmth in his awkwardness. When Byrne toured with St Vincent her choreography was more in line with his. But when I have seen her on her own it was back to being cold and formalist.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:13 (five years ago) link
Chachi way otm there - S-K need to sound ragged and jagged, not microcrystalline
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:16 (five years ago) link
And not to omit that St V does great things with formality and distance, spiritual heir to Laurie Anderson in a way
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:17 (five years ago) link
i mean doing choreography with Byrne was her stated inspiration for incorporating it into her show so heavily, though yeah she took it in a very different direction
― ufo, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link
She was doing formal schtick before the Byrne tour, iirc. She would stand stock still until it was time to solo, then she would kind of shuffle up in her tall shoes, do her guitar stuff, then shuffle back. I've seen Laurie Anderson perform, and her own brand of formalism was a lot more effective, iirc. Perhaps because she is often working in a slightly less traditional (pop/rock) medium?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
spiritual heir to Laurie Anderson in a way
lol
― imago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link
yeah wtf
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 13:58 (five years ago) link
Lol @ Woody Allen bc I’ve always hated him but there are some people I like on that list — Ice Cube, Steve Martin, Maya Rudolph. More common than I thought!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
Keith Moon I guess but I only know the comedy parts of Who Sell Out
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
After seeing this news yesterday all I could think was "HIRE PATTY SCHEMEL"
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:04 (five years ago) link
Does Henry Rollins count?
― GRETA GABBO (Leee), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
Idk if his scolding tirades count as comedy
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
Rollins' talking shows are absolutely stand-up
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
another drummer: Craig Ferguson got so good at managing the crowds during changeovers at multi-band punk bills that he switched to stand-up under the Bing Hitler persona when his band split up
(the singer also went on to direct sitcoms, write & direct an Oscar-winning black comedy short film, and star in The Thick Of It, but neither have returned to music as a job)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
Conan O'Brien!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:45 (five years ago) link
the one I saw was more akin to a Ted talk
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
I remember liking Quasi's Featuringing Birds enough that I think I voted for it in that year's Pazz and Jop. I would be happy with more Quasi records even though I didn't listen to any of the ones after.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
Todd Barry was a drummer, I don't think he's going back. Wasn't Letterman a drummer too?
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
Juana Molina was Argentina's biggest comedian in the 90s as I understand it - don't think they've ever really forgiven her for becoming a musician.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
Wasn't Letterman a drummer too?
Evidently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlhj_QD3k0M
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, July 2, 2019 4:57 AM (six hours ago)
SK have reminded me of them in the past, too - strumming patterns, beats without prominent cymbal parts, maybe some vocal approaches.
― timellison, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
Todd Barry otm, he's not going back but has guested with Superchunk and Yo La Tengo, and played on Mates Of States' AV Undercover session (no longer on youtube, boo). And as of last weekend, committed to playing REM's reunion. As opener, but hey, if Bill Berry doesn't get onboard...
I counted Chevy's college band bcz it was pre-comedy but Conan drummed at a house party or two while he was already editor of the Lampoon?
I haven't seen him since the 50th birthday tour, and I know he's done tours where he shows photos and discusses war zones he's visited & so on, but of his 29 talking-on-stage albums, 27 of them are primarily "telling funny stories about things that happened"
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link
I just rewatched the Fallon thing again with someone and he was like, why is Carrie singing so much and he had so forgotten how much lead Carrie had sang before. But yeah I don't like the preprogrammed performance gestures.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
They didn't even have a camera on Janet for any sort of close up.
Forgot about Juana Molina!! This is reminding me how little I like comedy.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 20:24 (five years ago) link
I'm not super familiar w/S-K (it's been ages since I saw them live), but I just watched that Fallon perf., and it does very much feel like "band awkwardly shoehorned into a new look/sound." I can also see why a freewheeling drummer may not be psyched at the prospect of an entire tour playing that beat.
― stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
I feel like Rollins is a weird example, his whole persona was everything, the music, the books, the spoken word
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
... acting, the record label
That Fallon performance is some real
https://youtu.be/Q2VqAH90h6s
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2VqAH90h6s&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2VqAH90h6s
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
"I can also see why a freewheeling drummer may not be psyched at the prospect of an entire tour playing that beat."
Janet is an exceptionally great drummer but I don't know that I ever thought of her as 'freewheeling'. She always struck me as rather precise and deliberate.
― akm, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
The beat in the verse is more tricky and unorthodox and strange than these posts are giving her credit for, but yeah, I can't imagine its especially fun to play
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
We’ll have to buy Carrie’s second book to learn the real story
― calstars, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
xxxp i would even say uptight
― j., Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:50 (five years ago) link
It's a cool linear, programmed-esque beat, yeah. It's exactly the sort of thing I find fun to play, way more fun than fast rock n' roll with lots of fills. But maybe she doesn't.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
Whiney clearly studying SK drum patterns closely. Worth an audition at least, surely?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
He never lost his fascination with drums & who they belong to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M65Dx0STe2M
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 02:20 (five years ago) link
Also ... drummer week!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link