GENE AUTRY'S SCI-FI MOVIE
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
Fuck the NRA (ulysses) at 1:27 16 Sep 19Wynton is a really good live musician and bandleader and composer! His fans are very much of the "jazz as american classical" audience though and that puts a lot of folks off.
it's definitely not rewriting jazz history and marginalizing many important artists to advance his own agenda and lucrative career!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 02:38 (four years ago) link
A marvelous episode. I learned a lot about Bob Wills.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
The Ryman really is as magical a space as it's portrayed.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
First great discovery for me so far is The Maddox Brothers & Rose. Somehow they'd escaped me until now, but now they're my new favorite thing.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
this episode is my lowkey favorite era of country, a period i affectionately know and grew up with as “Looney Tunes country” - it’s all the songs bugs & daffy sang! <3 plus my Nan quite liked Gene Autry
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link
xp to m@tt: sure and he catches a ton of justified shit for it too! But he's also helped underwrite a full generation of musicians and has paved the way for tons of funding for an otherwise severely neglected segment of the arts and all too often that baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
man I love Roy Acuff
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 05:22 (four years ago) link
Everybody probably already knows this, but the station near Del Rio that the Carter Family came to work at with the goat gland guy was later where Wolfman Jack made his name, and later provided the inspiration for "Heard It On The X" by ZZ Top.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 05:40 (four years ago) link
They left out the finest moment of the Light Crust Doughboys long careerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKJfBgZOCo
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 06:03 (four years ago) link
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa (Bob Wills holler)
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 06:15 (four years ago) link
Ralph Emery: STILL ALIVE.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
HOWWWWWWWWW-DEEEEE.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 00:32 (four years ago) link
Already been a couple of interviews with folks who died a few years ago, like Ralph Stanley and Merle (of course). Like the Scorsese Dylan neo-doc, it kind of tips its hand about how long these things have been in the works.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 00:34 (four years ago) link
The word first got out they were working on this in 2015, and I assume they'd already been putting it together for a while before that.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
love how much Merle has been in it already
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link
I'm an episode ahead of the broadcast schedule, but GODDAMN Patsy Cline was made of magic and I just got a little teary.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 03:04 (four years ago) link
meanwhile, on normal schedule: they could do a whole series just of Bill Monroe stories they could do a whole episode just on Audrey Williams and another episode on Billie Jean Williams/Hortonanyway i loved this ep
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 04:08 (four years ago) link
whole series just of Bill Monroe stories
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 04:19 (four years ago) link
“Lookin like death eatin a cracker” is a phrase I will now keep with me always
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 05:45 (four years ago) link
"Hoss, you ain't jivin'."
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 06:13 (four years ago) link
got about an hour and a half into the first ep. tbh Burns is a hard sell for me cuz I *really* hated that Jazz one, and his general style is sort of stiff imo.
This is pretty good though, very exhaustive and detailed which is always great to see. And I admit I get a little teary when Dolly and Merle and various other folks show up (no idea who that young fiddler guy is or why they give him so much screentime).
Was watching this with my wife and I asked "when are they gonna get to the goat testicles?" and she was like "wtf are you talking about", and lol 5 minutes later: goat testicles
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
lol
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
Have we talked about how Season 2 of Cocaine and Rhinestones is apparently entirely George Jones? (C&R was, before this, the most thorough and entertaining deep dive into country I've heard.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
xpost Yeah, who is that fiddler? Most/many people I recognize, but not him.
btw fyi this is my favorite Maddox Bros and Rose song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgGZCTHKLUw
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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
oh, he's the Old Crow Medicine Show guy.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
i got a little bored with Episode 1 but i think that was just the subject matter. obviously i am more of a Bill Monroe / Ralph Stanley / Maddox Brothers / Hank guy, cuz i loved last night's episode.
i could listen to stories of old-time bluegrass scene pissing matches all night.
― alpine static, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
Yeah, who is that fiddler? Most/many people I recognize, but not him.
if I didn't know better I'd say he was a Bruce McCulloch character
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
I don't do podcasts so haven't heard the Cocaine and Rhinestones stuff but my substitute has been Mike Judge's "Tales from the Tourbus" (season 1 is all country) which appears to cover a lot of the same territory/stories
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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link
and George Jones got two episodes. They are fucking hilarious of course. Esp when he starts doing his Donald Duck shit.
people can dunk on Ken Burns all they want but the visual element of his docs is extremely valuable, esp for educational purposes. the clips and photos and imagery really help a viewer to transport to another time and place. the C&R podcast is great but it's audio-only, which can be alienating for people who a) aren't particularly auditory b) don't speak English. it's great if that is what you're looking for/if you already know the background & basics of country music, but for a beginner, KB docs are quite good! (caveat: the jazz one has a number of well-documented problems and i haven't watched the entire country one yet obvs)
I like that the doc is subtitled AND has a Spanish language version on the app
and yeah who tf is that verbose fiddler!?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link
I posted already, it's the guy from Old Crow Medicine Show.xpost Listen to the epic on The Judds, it's fascinating.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, September 18, 2019 11:25 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I need to listen to that. I've only heard the "Okie From Muskogee" episode, but damn, that was just one revelation after another. Hell, that one episode was better-researched than most 33 1/3rd books.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
sorryanother question: why does "the guy from old crow medicine show" get such a primo spot?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
Because popular? Due to that Wagon Wheel song? Also: young, photogenic?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
the clips and photos and imagery really help a viewer to transport to another time and place
yeah can't deny this, the visual archival aspect is fantastic
ugh that fuckin Wagon Wheel song
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
I mean in one sense it's funny/somehow appropriate that their big hit is a reworking of a Dylan outtake but that's more a testament to Dylan than them imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
Wagon Wheel is why my guitar teacher refuses to sit in with our farmer's market bluegrass band.Wonder how much that song made Dylan?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
obviously the real irony is that Dylan was probably just reworking some other half-remembered folk song himself, but he was smart enough to aggressively copyright every goddamn thing he did
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
A la AP Carter!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
Shakey, Cocaine & Rhinestones is extremely your shit. You should make an exception.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
I just don't have time to listen like that, I don't have a commute and if I'm home I'm listening to music + doing other shit at the same time
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
I enjoyed the half dozen eps of Cocaine & Rhinestones I listened to, but when I got access to the mike judge show I never really went back.
Burns' style can be easy to eyeroll at but I enjoy the docs and find them valuable as audiovisual textbooks. Obviously he displays certain biases and blindspots but if you're a mildly critical viewer its pretty easy to see through them and still get huge amount of interesting info and context. If you dont approach them as the last word on the subject and just think "I want to mainline a lot of dry information that I didnt previously know" theyre pretty hard to argue with imho. Like yeah hes not some super edgy iconoclast but I dont really need that in a PBS doc abt country music.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
that being said i always avoided the jazz one bc I always heard that one had the most problems, but I think at this point I know enough about jazz and have heard enough about the problems of the doc that I can watch it and see through the cracks
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
I also always see recommendations for the first season of Mike Judge’s animated Cinemax series Tales From the Tour Bus.
It’s mentioned along w/ the podcast above and more in Writer Carl Wilson ‘s review of Burn’s show at Slate
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
I knew the final years of Hank Williams were bad, but the blow-by-blow details were grueling.
This series is typical Ken Burns and it's working fine for me. When the jazz series came out, I was just starting to listen to jazz, so I benefited both from his version of the history and the controversies about what was omitted and why. This time I'm starting with somewhat deeper knowledge but am still enjoying and learning from the show.
I wonder if the country industry/establishment and fans are going to push back on this series in similar ways?
― Brad C., Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
the first season of Mike Judge’s animated Cinemax series Tales From the Tour Bus
the second season is fantastic too! It's just not about country.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2019/09/country-music-ken-burns-pbs-documentary-series-review.html
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
I cringed alot when they kicked off the launch concert w/Marty Stuart discussing the marriage of "White fiddle and Black banjo" before introducing a duet between Ketch Secor (Old Crow dude) and Rhiannon Giddens.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link