Gram had to be talked about to set up Emmylou, who was necessary. I would've spent less time doing that (with Gram), though.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
I may be ignorant here, but the documentary posits her as a Turning Point in the '70s that I've never read anywhere (nor do her albums bear this out).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
I would have given more than 60 seconds to the likes of Barbara Mandrell, Kenny Rogers, and Dottie West.
Mandrell was basically the female Marty Stuart ffs.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
exactly!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
Emmylou seems more relevant in this context than Gram, but it's a fair question why she gets so much time while other artists much more central to the 70s country charts are ignored or passed over too quickly.
One obvious example: Conway Twitty (though personally I'd rather hear Emmylou than Conway in his 70s loverman mode)
― Brad C., Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
I was a wee boy in the 70s, so I don't know. I will say that the utter ubiquity of Emmylou records for cheap prices must mean they sold shitloads when released.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
I guess Eddie Rabbitt is going to ignored entirely. Oh well.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
i'm definitely not an expert but even i thought they spent a *lot* of time on Emmylou.
― alpine static, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Emmylou is pretty important for setting the table for the New Tradionalists, helping popularize songs by Van Zandt & Crowell, and later on basically saving the Ryman from the, er, wrecking ball.
She also sold tons of records in the '70s to audiences outside the Country spectrum.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
otoh I'm glad Rosanne Cash got a spot: a crucial precursor to hot country even if she prefers to be regarded for her Americana stuff.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
Self XP Of course, I think it's also weird that they completely sidestepped Linda Ronstadt, unless Trio is covered in the finale.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
Gauging the bent they're taking towards the modern era, I 100% expect Trio to be covered.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Hanging out at Guy Clark's house seems like a good time, btw.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
Also, Hazel Smith reminds me so much of basically every woman on my mom's side of the family. Watching her speak is a joy. R.I.P.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
XP Have you seen Heartworn Highways? Like a 1/4 of it is hanging at Guy Clark's house!
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
No mention of Trio whatsoever, unless it was briefly mentioned and I missed it. I too assumed it would be talked about, especially considering how much time they spent on Dolly and Emmylou in the earlier episodes. Hell, it even felt like they'd set it up: they had Dolly going to Hollywood, so Trio would've been a perfect back-to-the-roots bookend.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
Wow, shocked!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
a way bigger hit than The Highwaymen too
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
you know what back-to-the-roots country album is better than trio?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/K.d._lang_-_Shadowland.jpg
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it crossed over to the Pop chart when very few country albums did. There's only one other country album on the Billboard 1987 end-of-year albums chart, and it's Randy Travis.
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
I never thought about setting Trio and lang against each other.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
lol yes luckily we live in a world where both exist! i just think Shadowland is criminally underappreciated
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Despite being raised in Alabama, I didn't grow up in a country music family. I knew basically nothing about it and assumed it was strictly for old people. k.d. lang and (loosely) Chris Isaak opened me up to that world for investigation later into my twenties. I guess that partly explains my favoring the traditionalist approach to the music, because it's the door I walked through. If I'd grown up with country radio in the 1980s, I'd likely view that stuff with less suspicion. Like, I'm a Dwight/Rosanne/Rodney partisan, but I know fuck all about people like T.G. Sheppard and Reba (<-- except her sitcom was funny fuiud).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
now that i am finally into episode 4-5 i can see how this is becoming similar to Jazz in its focus on character. i don't think i'll watch the whole thing tbh. it's something i would gladly go back to periodically though, if i had access to it.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
Was jerry lee lewis’ career in country completely skipped too?
― BrianB, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
Yeah, LL, that’s exactly what I am feeling. Funny (not really) how things become more predictable as we get closer to contemporary times when the players are still alive or freshly dead as opposed to the by now mythical origin story.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
I will say with their overview of George Jones i cant wait for Cocaine & Rhinestones entire season of George episodes.i mean i already was excited but :D
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
obv also v much going to be :( and ;_;
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Rosanne singing at the Ryman for Johnny's memorial concert got me pretty good.
Also, it reminded me of this, which was from a different Johnny/June memorial. As far as I know, this only happened once and they never bothered to pair up in the studio. Their voices together are fucking MAGICAL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCqpw-5KL4g
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 September 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
Was almost sure that was going to be /glad that wasn’t a cover of “Jackson.”
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:33 (four years ago) link
Fun fact: Jerry Leiber has a songwriting credit on “Jackson.” I think he did some doctoring or editing or something.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:35 (four years ago) link
First recorded by The Kingston Trio!
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link
Yet another Trio
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:39 (four years ago) link
Roseanne was booked for ACL Fest that year, but cancelled when Johnny died. They filled her slot with other artists coming up and doing two Johnny tunes apiece. I remember Ray Benson, the Drive-By Truckers, and iirc Tift Merritt playing...not sure about the others.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:41 (four years ago) link
that record exec recalling the Judds - “Wynnona had braces & Naomi looked fantastic as always” :/
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 September 2019 04:01 (four years ago) link
Wasn't expecting a Gun Club shoutout
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 September 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
well shit i cried a LOT during that episode
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 September 2019 05:26 (four years ago) link
Forgot Keith Whitley died so young.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 September 2019 05:36 (four years ago) link
They all actin' like the Highwaymen didn't happen...
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 September 2019 06:09 (four years ago) link
Cool. Did they interview Klaus Voormann right before he died?
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 26 September 2019 11:10 (four years ago) link
Sorry, that was two bad jokes rolled into one
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 11:42 (four years ago) link
If don't have time to watch the whole eight hours, here is a highlight reel I recommend:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4rA1-6ah7s
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
They skipped over an essential period in Kristofferson's career:
https://youtu.be/PMW4Ad8fIF4?t=209
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
thank you for bringing that into my life, tarfumes
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
oh my god
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
O_O
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 September 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
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― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 September 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Hello, I'm James Redd.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 September 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
One more episode left for me. Assuming it’s going to be lots of little capsule career summaries and J.R. Cash dying to wrap things up.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 September 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link