Hahahaha
― i'm not a garbageman i am garbage, man. let me handle my garbage, damn (m bison), Thursday, 26 September 2019 10:52 (five years ago) link
i just want to confirm: no one has matched CCR's incredible achievement of releasing three remarkable albums in the same year, right? Bayou Country (1/5/69), Green River (8/3/69), and Willy and the Poor Boys (11/2/69).
i know this has probably been discussed multiple times, but it's difficult to search, and i need to confirm this as an indisputable fact.
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/11/26/20983063/creedence-clearwater-revival-willy-and-the-poor-boys-50th-anniversary
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
Even by the standards of the 1960s, when big-ticket acts were expected to satiate their market with a seemingly endless torrent of recorded output and live appearances, 1969 was a prolific year for Creedence Clearwater Revival. First formed two years previous, but really the full-flowering of earlier bands the Blue Velvets and the Golliwogs, the Oakland-based quartet had suddenly gone from music biz strugglers to full-blown celebrities. After so long a wait, nothing was going to dissuade them from maximizing their moment. CCR released three brilliant albums in 1969, each with a tangible claim on genius. January’s Bayou Country yielded the classics “Born on the Bayou” and “Keep on Chooglin.” August’s Green River produced yet more canonical material: “Lodi,” “Bad Moon Rising,” and the title track. Even the Beatles at their vaulting creative heights never released three great records in a 12-month span. Creedence Clearwater Revival’s November release, Willy and the Poor Boys, managed that very trick.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
does 'drift' count
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
The Nelson article is one of my favorite pieces of essay writing this year.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
The only weird thing about it was that she picked "Born on the Bayou" and "Keep On Chooglin'" as the two classics from "Bayou Country." The former, sure, but the latter? I mean, the album is a classic, but surely "Proud Mary" deserves the other slot.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
all three of those songs are all-timers
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
proud mary has gotta be in there, but 'born on the bayou' is undeniable and chooglin...i mean
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
I just returned from a trip to Disney World, during which I blasted "Chameleon" and "Sailor's Lament" on the car ride back.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
still reading the Nelson piece, thanks for linking to it!
i realize this is a matter of taste, but i 100% agree with fogerty's take on this:
At a time when it had become common for popular acts to extend their shows to epic lengths—Led Zeppelin concerts of the era had begun to run to three hours—Fogerty decided that Creedence should go the other way. For the 45 minutes the band was onstage, the music was tense and thrilling. But after 45 minutes the band was done. With very few exceptions, no matter the audience desire, there were no encores.It’s a small point but an important one. Why would this most populist of popular bands dare court the critique that they were stingy with their rabid audience? The decision even caused some rancor within the group. Some members of the band believed, reasonably enough, that encores were a way of thanking the fans. Fogerty regarded them as phony under any circumstances. Neither was wrong, but Fogerty’s intractable stance said something crucial about the way CCR was always both old and new. By limiting show lengths to single concentrated outbursts of intensity, Creedence both honored the shock-and-awe, blink-and-you-miss-it character of early rock and the don’t-care-at-all-if-you-miss-it brevity of punk. Indeed, in 1969 only CCR’s Detroit-based counterparts the Stooges were so directly anticipating a less-is-more future. Fogerty’s draconian set times were never intended to cheat the consumer, and in fact the opposite held true: any second you weren’t fully present was a moment wasted.
It’s a small point but an important one. Why would this most populist of popular bands dare court the critique that they were stingy with their rabid audience? The decision even caused some rancor within the group. Some members of the band believed, reasonably enough, that encores were a way of thanking the fans. Fogerty regarded them as phony under any circumstances. Neither was wrong, but Fogerty’s intractable stance said something crucial about the way CCR was always both old and new. By limiting show lengths to single concentrated outbursts of intensity, Creedence both honored the shock-and-awe, blink-and-you-miss-it character of early rock and the don’t-care-at-all-if-you-miss-it brevity of punk. Indeed, in 1969 only CCR’s Detroit-based counterparts the Stooges were so directly anticipating a less-is-more future. Fogerty’s draconian set times were never intended to cheat the consumer, and in fact the opposite held true: any second you weren’t fully present was a moment wasted.
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
Wow, looking forward to reading the whole thing, thanks, everybody.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
Can’t wait to read this; thanks for linking it, JiC.Re: encores, Fogerty is otm. And the Moon-era Who hated them, too (Daltrey in 1975: “I think that it's of the utmost importance to leave an audience wanting more rather than exhausted and moaning, 'Thank Christ that's all over.' That's why we don't do no encores. They're a bloody con. You shouldn't do 'em, cos they're the biggest con ever and Led Zeppelin were one of the worst groups for starting that whole encore thing off.")
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 December 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
Big Thief are currently getting coverage for not playing encores: https://www.stereogum.com/2064276/big-thief-adrianne-lenker-encores/video/
― Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
weddoes too
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
Not only did Fairport Convention do it, they did it the same year: What We Did On Our Holidays (January), Unhalfbricking (July), and Liege & Leaf (December).
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
if it's a show, i can leave at any time - and i do, because i'm old, shows start late, even if the show's great i'm not going to stick around for the encore. mostly i'm impressed with their brevity in terms of albums - certain types of music should go on for a while, certain types of music are more powerful the shorter it is. hardcore is definitely an ep format. ten minutes is enough, because i can always play it again!
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
― dorsalstop, Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
it's a good article - my only quibble would be describing the paranoid style as a "garage punk" band. don't front, you're in an indie band, and that's nothing to be ashamed of.
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone)
1961: my favorite things, africa/brass, ole! coltrane
(ascension, meditations, and live at the village vanguard again! were all 1966 as well, so it's not like it's the only time trane did the trifecta...)
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
For Your Pleaure / These Foolish Things / Stranded / Here Come the Warm Jets - all within 12 months I think. Not strictly the output of a single group, I know, but...
― fetter, Sunday, 1 December 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
It's hard to get specific dates but Fela Kuti must have nailed this at some point. Noise for Vendor Mouth / Confusion / Everything Scatter / He Miss Road /Expensive Shit were all 1975.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
But after 45 minutes the band was done. With very few exceptions, no matter the audience desire, there were no encores.
So let me get this straight. The moral of the story is... DON'T keep on chooglin'?
In fact, STOP chooglin'?
I need some time to process this.
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
Good call on Fairport.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Choogle (Not Choogle)
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 December 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
Frugal chooglin’—-> frooglin’
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 1 December 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
Between July 1984 and January 1987 Hüsker Dü released five albums, including two doubles.
So effectively 7 albums in 2.5 years.
― aphoristical, Sunday, 1 December 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
In 1971, Rod Stewart put out both Long Player and A Nod Is... w/the Faces, and on his own released Every Picture Tells A Story.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 December 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
I'd also argue for Merle Haggard in 1969 with Pride In What I Am, A Portrait of Merle Haggard and Same Train, A Different Time.
― δερβισης, Sunday, 1 December 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
so, i guess what we're saying is between ccr, fairport, and merle is 1969...nice
― i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 1 December 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
for those of you didnt catch that, 69 is at the end of 1969
― i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 1 December 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
and that...that is the sex number, friends
has there ever been a single year with three artists releasing three different all in the same year and where the albums have been so nice, other than 1969?
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Monday, 2 December 2019 01:00 (four years ago) link
seems impossible
Great Nelson piece thx for posting
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 December 2019 03:20 (four years ago) link
wow that article really is great, lol @ "the botched aesthetics of stardom"
― sleeve, Monday, 2 December 2019 06:45 (four years ago) link
Re-reading the piece,
the band essentially acted as a rearguard protectorate to the genre’s multiethnic traditions
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 December 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
Love CCR, would rather have my fingernails pulled out than listen to Springsteen tbh.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 2 December 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
Interesting.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
"Centerfield" "Glory Days" and "Walk of Life" form a boomerball mini-genre
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
There's an article about Frank Stefanko, the photographer, where he talks about driving around with Springsteen listening to Creedence on the tape deck, and it sounds wonderful.
"We were playing “Lodi,” driving through the New Jersey Pine Barrens with the window down on a hot Memorial Day weekend, and we were both singing, and I can’t sing to save my life, but somehow singing with Bruce Springsteen was easy... it was one of the best days of my life...”
― Lily Dale, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
"Walk of Life", you mean Dire Straits? I assume "Glory Days" is Springsteen? Don't know it.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
You're lucky. I love Springsteen, but I'd be happy if I never heard Glory Days again.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
same here
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
didn't know so many of you had this fetish
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
messages keep gettin' clearer
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
By the late ’60s market forces had already begun the unfortunate project of Balkanizing rock ’n’ roll into separate genres: “Rock” music was intended to appeal to largely white audiences, while African American artists were typically relegated to the R&B charts. For John Fogerty and CCR, this development violated everything they represented. The band essentially acted as a rearguard protectorate to the genre’s multiethnic traditions, loaning out “Proud Mary” to Ike & Tina Turner while borrowing Wilson Pickett’s “In the Midnight Hour” and Norman Whitfield’s “I Heard It Through the Grapevine,” all to spectacular effect.
sorry but this is just beyond stupid
― budo jeru, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
"loaning out" ?
i wish i could think of another example of an african-american act covering a popular song by a white artist after 1969
― budo jeru, Monday, 2 December 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
They did "99 and 1/2 (Won't Do)", not "ITMH".
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link