welcome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
i still rate this below channel orange but "solo" "self control" and "nights" alone make it a classic
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 01:52 (four years ago) link
it's still a really frustrating listen, there's a lot of brilliant tracks (i especially love "self control" and "white ferrari") but also plenty that feel clunky and half-formed ("ivy", "nights" has some cool parts but doesn't hold together that well, "pretty sweet", "seigfried", "futura free") and i hate the sequencing and the interludes so it doesn't work as an album at all for me.
― ufo, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
Fans like him for his maladroit songwriting and well-intentioned gestures. I've made my peace with it.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:09 (four years ago) link
the interludes are pretty bad but i do rly like that one instrumental that is woven thru the album... i think it lends the album a dreaminess that flatters it. i really like to listen to blonde when i'm flying... it just feels right for when you're above the clouds. but mostly nowadays i just run thru those 3 tracks... i do love "godspeed" too
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
the andre 3000 interlude on here is one of the most annoying things i've ever heard
blonde feels like a wave of inspiration to me, I haven't wanted to separate out the individual tracks
― Dan S, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:11 (four years ago) link
yeah "godspeed" is great and would be the closer if i'd sequenced it. that one instrumental on its own is fine but then the way it's woven through the album is jarring and takes me out of it, especially when the bits of speech its used behind in both "facebook story" and "be yourself" are pretty inane. i do like "good guy" and "close to you" quite a lot at least.
― ufo, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
― J0rdan S.
It's the rap equivalent of a two-note guitar solo.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link
yeah i don't count the ones that are actually songs... the mom's voicemail is kinda funny and sometimes i will listen to it for fun but it gets old. "facebook story" is wretched... i stan the woman who dumped that fucker
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:25 (four years ago) link
"good guy" is easily one of the best things he's ever written lyrically... i love that song. i'm glad that it got an extended placement in the blonde shows.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
"that fucker" is SebastiAn isn't it which makes the whole thing even weirder
didn't know he'd done an extended version of "good guy" live, checking it out now and it's wonderful
― ufo, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:32 (four years ago) link
i think "pretty sweet" rules, that tumult of strings at the beginning resolves into one of my favorite melodies on the record (but given that i've always really loved "ivy" and "nights" i think i'm drawn to this record's use of guitars)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
"nights" is all about that zoned-out coda for me, I could listen for an hour
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link
I should just stop paying attention to this guy since he hasn't put out anything I've cared for since Channel Orange but anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccU0JCRNj3A
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 19 October 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link
who?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 October 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
not sure Pitchfork will be adding an unnumbered addition to their best tracks of the decade here
― maffew12, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
his subreddit lol
https://i.redd.it/244rc8wp1mt31.jpg
― maffew12, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
S:
Self ControlSoloSkyline ToNightsPink + White
D:
Everything else
― neva missa lost, wednesday nights on abc (voodoo chili), Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:25 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
ok, so, i have a playlist that i regularly return to that looks like this
pink + whiteivysoloskyline togodspeednightswhite ferrariself controlgood guy
^^ i think that four-five of these are better than anything else frank has written. it's a shame that i still can't really stand the other songs on the album.
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
Chanel tho
― J. Sam, Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
sure chanel and bike are also good
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
*solo version of bike
*BIKING sheesh
ilm frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
if there's one guy who doesn't get enough praise, it's pitchfork best album of the decade champion frank ocean
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
true, on this forum
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link
not everyone has to love him but there's a weird suspicion of the motives of ppl who do that runs through the various threads here
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
No love for ‘Siegfried’?
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
it's good
skits aside it's all good
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
and as far as skits go... I don't even skip em
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
the andre 3000 song on here is so jarring and awful, i skip that every time. worse than any of the skits
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
m frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here
― nothing (Left),
this place is a most welcome oasis from the suffocating Ocean praise I see elsewhere!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/eh80gjhu34j11.jpg
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
if mild criticism of frank ocean bothers you so much, may i suggest you go to literally anyplace else on the internet?
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
as I said it's the suspicion of motives that is strange and sometimes ugly. other threads show this attitude has been consistent even when charges have changed (earlier mentions filtered through the ludicrous hipster R&B wars of the early 10s which was exclusively a hipster civil war)
I find the constant suspicion both suspicious and sad next to the enthusiasm and generosity extended towards absolute bullshit like vampire weekend and the 1975 during the same period. it's clearly generational to a large extent
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link
vampire weekend suck
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
that sure is a lot of words to say "i don't know how to process opinions that differ from mine"
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
40something for Blond on the 2016 album poll is pretty wild
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
then again, i've seen your posts on ile so idk what i was expecting
xp
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
3 points, related
the subtext is that frank ocean and/or his popularity is essentially fradulent in some way
there are some pretty obvious things motivating this attitude, which comparisons with contemporary artists more beloved by ILM make clear
i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link
why do you care
I don't understand your obsession here with ILM discourse. Some like Ocean, some don't, he's worth discussing.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
― nothing (Left), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:21 PM (three minutes ago)
are you gonna do some outreach?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
three more points
the opinions actually expressed in this thread are quite varied, from j0rdan's unreserved praise, to brad's skepticism evolving into genuine love, to alfred's stating his preference of jeremih, miguel, etc. all of these are opinions very much in character, nothing nefarious here
"the kids" aren't always right about music, and "popularity with the youth" isn't an inherent argument for music's worthiness. furthermore, the under-40s on this thread have varying opinions (i loved loved loved channel orange when i was 22 and it came out, when blonde came out i was 26 and skeptical)
i'm not gonna even acknowledge your third point, because it's becoming clear that you're just a troll who refuses to actually read the posts in this and other threads and engage critically
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
think of frank ocean as mainly a millennial phenomenon. orange came out in 2012
might be wrong
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
j0rdan's praise wasn't entirely unreserved, ignore that adjective
― caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
xp. might be wrong about the former, not the latter, lol
no it's ok i have very little reservation about praising frank ocean
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
probably young enough to count as a 'kid' here (i am 25, pretty sure i'm one of the youngest active posters?) and while channel orange was quite good, blonde was one of the most frustrating albums released last decade. it has plenty of fantastic moments, but it's also incredibly inconsistent and fragmented, a lot of what it's trying to do just doesn't work at all for me. and endless is just not very good. it's felt like the mythology around him has long outgrown the actual music
are you going to complain about ilm not liking say, the life of pablo or kids see ghosts enough too idk
― ufo, Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
no they're shit
endless is very good though
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link
I did this podcast where we were talking about him and I listened for a couple weeks to both albums a lot and definitely "got" it in a new way that i hadn't beforethough I guess I came away with the non-majority opinion that Channel Orange > Blonde but I liked both
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:35 (three years ago) link