Frank Ocean, 'Boys Don't Cry'

blonde feels like a wave of inspiration to me, I haven't wanted to separate out the individual tracks

yeah "godspeed" is great and would be the closer if i'd sequenced it. that one instrumental on its own is fine but then the way it's woven through the album is jarring and takes me out of it, especially when the bits of speech its used behind in both "facebook story" and "be yourself" are pretty inane. i do like "good guy" and "close to you" quite a lot at least.

the andre 3000 interlude on here is one of the most annoying things i've ever heard

― J0rdan S.

It's the rap equivalent of a two-note guitar solo.

yeah i don't count the ones that are actually songs... the mom's voicemail is kinda funny and sometimes i will listen to it for fun but it gets old. "facebook story" is wretched... i stan the woman who dumped that fucker

"good guy" is easily one of the best things he's ever written lyrically... i love that song. i'm glad that it got an extended placement in the blonde shows.

"that fucker" is SebastiAn isn't it which makes the whole thing even weirder

didn't know he'd done an extended version of "good guy" live, checking it out now and it's wonderful

i think "pretty sweet" rules, that tumult of strings at the beginning resolves into one of my favorite melodies on the record (but given that i've always really loved "ivy" and "nights" i think i'm drawn to this record's use of guitars)

"nights" is all about that zoned-out coda for me, I could listen for an hour

I should just stop paying attention to this guy since he hasn't put out anything I've cared for since Channel Orange but anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccU0JCRNj3A

who?

not sure Pitchfork will be adding an unnumbered addition to their best tracks of the decade here

his subreddit lol

https://i.redd.it/244rc8wp1mt31.jpg

S:

Self Control
Solo
Skyline To
Nights
Pink + White

D:

Everything else

― neva missa lost, wednesday nights on abc (voodoo chili), Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:25 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok, so, i have a playlist that i regularly return to that looks like this

pink + white
ivy
solo
skyline to
godspeed
nights
white ferrari
self control
good guy

^^ i think that four-five of these are better than anything else frank has written. it's a shame that i still can't really stand the other songs on the album.

Chanel tho

sure chanel and bike are also good

*solo version of bike

*BIKING sheesh

ilm frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here

if there's one guy who doesn't get enough praise, it's pitchfork best album of the decade champion frank ocean

true, on this forum

not everyone has to love him but there's a weird suspicion of the motives of ppl who do that runs through the various threads here

No love for ‘Siegfried’?

it's good

skits aside it's all good

and as far as skits go... I don't even skip em

the andre 3000 song on here is so jarring and awful, i skip that every time. worse than any of the skits

m frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here

― nothing (Left),

this place is a most welcome oasis from the suffocating Ocean praise I see elsewhere!

https://i.redd.it/eh80gjhu34j11.jpg

if mild criticism of frank ocean bothers you so much, may i suggest you go to literally anyplace else on the internet?

as I said it's the suspicion of motives that is strange and sometimes ugly. other threads show this attitude has been consistent even when charges have changed (earlier mentions filtered through the ludicrous hipster R&B wars of the early 10s which was exclusively a hipster civil war)

I find the constant suspicion both suspicious and sad next to the enthusiasm and generosity extended towards absolute bullshit like vampire weekend and the 1975 during the same period. it's clearly generational to a large extent

vampire weekend suck

that sure is a lot of words to say "i don't know how to process opinions that differ from mine"

40something for Blond on the 2016 album poll is pretty wild

then again, i've seen your posts on ile so idk what i was expecting

xp

3 points, related

the subtext is that frank ocean and/or his popularity is essentially fradulent in some way

there are some pretty obvious things motivating this attitude, which comparisons with contemporary artists more beloved by ILM make clear

i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree

why do you care

I don't understand your obsession here with ILM discourse. Some like Ocean, some don't, he's worth discussing.

i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree

― nothing (Left), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:21 PM (three minutes ago)

are you gonna do some outreach?

three more points

the opinions actually expressed in this thread are quite varied, from j0rdan's unreserved praise, to brad's skepticism evolving into genuine love, to alfred's stating his preference of jeremih, miguel, etc. all of these are opinions very much in character, nothing nefarious here

"the kids" aren't always right about music, and "popularity with the youth" isn't an inherent argument for music's worthiness. furthermore, the under-40s on this thread have varying opinions (i loved loved loved channel orange when i was 22 and it came out, when blonde came out i was 26 and skeptical)

i'm not gonna even acknowledge your third point, because it's becoming clear that you're just a troll who refuses to actually read the posts in this and other threads and engage critically

think of frank ocean as mainly a millennial phenomenon. orange came out in 2012

might be wrong

j0rdan's praise wasn't entirely unreserved, ignore that adjective

xp. might be wrong about the former, not the latter, lol

no it's ok i have very little reservation about praising frank ocean

probably young enough to count as a 'kid' here (i am 25, pretty sure i'm one of the youngest active posters?) and while channel orange was quite good, blonde was one of the most frustrating albums released last decade. it has plenty of fantastic moments, but it's also incredibly inconsistent and fragmented, a lot of what it's trying to do just doesn't work at all for me. and endless is just not very good. it's felt like the mythology around him has long outgrown the actual music

are you going to complain about ilm not liking say, the life of pablo or kids see ghosts enough too idk

no they're shit

endless is very good though

I did this podcast where we were talking about him and I listened for a couple weeks to both albums a lot and definitely "got" it in a new way that i hadn't before

though I guess I came away with the non-majority opinion that Channel Orange > Blonde but I liked both

it has a very "California" vibe that I'm a sucker for

My partner on the episode was a younger millennial and she talked about hearing Orange and getting really into him and then waiting on line at a special in store event for Blonde and feeling like that record was a really special thing in her life

which talking to her about it made me like it more in a way

blonde was a very important record for a lot of people my age, and i did eventually appreciate it, but as evidenced by my posts in this thread, it took a little time.

voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount

xps well you can make exactly the same case that it's just generational that ilm doesn't like tlop and ksg so if you want the frank sceptics to engage you should probably at least try to sell people on his merits rather than complaining about a generational divide