Like which pieces to start with, or fave recordings of those pieces?*
The former, with the latter appended if possible plz.
Xp Cheers, pom.
*In a nutshell why I often run screaming from classical discussions. My poor brane can't cope with the permutations.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
Err, for Schubert's String Quartet No. 14 I meant the Alban Berg Quartett's live recording.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
Winterreise and Die Schöne Mullerin are the two essential song cycles; art song is probably the one thing Schubert is best known for. If you have any tolerance for classical vox, I def recommend those.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
Rating the 1980s over this = good God someone think of the children
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
I still find Große Fuge harsh on the ears. I've never heard a version where the players sounded like they were having an easy time.
― jmm, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
The struggle is part and parcel of the experience. Maybe seeing the players tackle it head-on would help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13ygvpIg-S0
The Ardittis do make it seem almost effortless, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA5PbJmcbwQ
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
I've had a bastard of a week. The Mendelssohn in E-Flat Major (particularly the 3rd movement) just broke me.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
my #1 Schubert non-vocal pick for the newbie just might be the D929 Piano Trio. The funeral march movement = could die happy with this playing
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
Can't argue with that. I'd watch Barry Lyndon again had I not developed an inexplicable aversion to all things filmic over the past decade.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
While we're at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52IMaE-3As
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
I can't not vote for 'Winterreise'. That one's hugely important to me.
― pomenitul, Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:45 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Not to pry, but help me unpack this: you haven't watched or enjoyed any film for a decade? Or do you mean music that is too 'filmic'?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
I watch maybe three or four films per year tops. I can't explain it, not even to myself.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
Reason I was asking is because I am maybe burned out on watching films too, without explicitly realizing/acknowledging it as an aversion. I'm in the three, six films per annum numbers too, I guess. And they're exclusively old ones. I will shamefully confess I read way more about films than that I see them, to the point where I can appreciate a detailed wikipedia plot summary to read and digest slowly, and prefer it to seeing a movie a lot of the time...
I'm reading way more though, after a 10 year period of "I should really read more", and am very happy that things are this way.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
Looks like we suffer from the same condition. I used to love film (and in many ways still do) but it just makes me anxious now, like I should be doing something more meaningful with my time. Or more mindless, depending.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
Aye, I'd still say I love film, but with an added "it's complicated". I definitely get the "I should be doing something more meaningful" feeling (except I can also waste away hours doing nothing but procrastinating and think: I could've watched a good portion of Malick's oeuvre in this time... but I digress, somewhat ;) )
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
I can also waste away hours doing nothing but procrastinating and think: I could've watched a good portion of Malick's oeuvre in this time...
cosign
As a general rule I'm terrible at putting time off to good use, although I do wonder how much of this is a matter of perception… One for the 'psychology of filmgoers' thread, which probably doesn't exist yet.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
I doubt that I watch more than three or four films a year, if that. Perhaps it is connected to listening to classical music.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 November 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
Franz Schubert - Piano Sonata in B-flat major, D. 960 (1828)
stupid me went through all the schubert sonatas in order looking for this one, it's my favorite
― ciderpress, Friday, 15 November 2019 00:17 (four years ago) link
i don't watch films either, it's just something that takes commitment to and it's hard to find that commitment
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Friday, 15 November 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
― pomenitul, Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
We could do with that thread... In due time, eventually.. :)
I think this:
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Friday, November 15, 2019 1:21 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
is the (relative) laid back approach I need to this subject. 😎
Meanwhile, the Mendelssohn string quartet Chinaski mentioned (E-flat major) is indeed as beautiful as it is devastating.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 November 2019 00:45 (four years ago) link
Anyone have strong opinions on recordings of the Diabelli variations? I'm becoming mildly obsessed. A bunch of them feel like they presage things decades into the future that I can't put my finger on. Though I've been focused on relatively recent recordings by Staier and Schiff. Who else warrants a listen?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 16 November 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
Of those I've heard I love Kovacevich's first recording (from 1968, I think), Pollini's and, more recently, Piotr Anderszewski's.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 16 November 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
Kovacevich (60s or 2000s, both are great), Benjamin Frith, Arrau, Brendel (probably the one that came out in a 2CD set of “previously unissued live recordings”), Ronald Brautigam.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 16 November 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
Excellent. Thanks peeps.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 17 November 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
After much deliberation, it could only really be Exercices très faciles in the end.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
Seriously, I think I have to vote for Winterreise. As awe-inspiring as Beethoven's 14th quartet (op. 131) is, I can't lie that I've just spent more time with the Schubert in my life so far.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
That 14th lvb quartet is my choice
― Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 06:05 (four years ago) link
I caved to sentiment and voted for the 15th quartet, which got me into Beethoven's late style in the first place.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link
^ Yeah, that was my first as well. I read something about the third movement and decided I had to hear it. That pretty much started me on classical music.
I went with the 12th quartet, though.
― jmm, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
Muss es sein? Es muss sein!
Well, it's not the right one, but you catch my drift.
Incidentally, I messed up by not subtitling this poll 'der schwer gefaßte Entschluß'.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Pssh, Symphony No. 9, so not epic.
― jmm, Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
I'm mildly shocked that no one voted for the 'Unfinished' Symphony or for the 'Death and the Maiden' Quartet but you can't argue with Beethoven's 9th.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
27 votes though, that's heartening!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
True!
I do want to stress once again that everyone is welcome to vote and shoot the shit in these threads – classical music needn't be forbidding.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link
Oh god dammit I got it in my head that I voted but seeing the 0 votes for the Schubert trio I clearly didn’t. Argh.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
A spectral vote – the 28th, to boot – is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. :)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link
Mvt 1 of Death and the Maiden is all time. The competition was just formidable.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Thursday, 21 November 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
I hard choice between the 9th and Wintereise for me I think I gave it to the 9th because I gave it to Erlkonig in the last poll.
I’d be interested in knowing which recordings people like of the Schubert Lieder. Dietrich Fischer-Diskau is pretty unfickwithable and I like Ian Bostrich as well.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 22 November 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
Christian Gerhaher is really great in lieder
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 22 November 2019 03:06 (four years ago) link
Very much seconded.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 November 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link