being able to prevent her from performing her old songs at televised events seems like a weird loophole
― ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
It is weird (and her directive to hound other artists also a little weird)... but who knows, I guess.
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Friday, 15 November 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
Idk those dudes sound like real shitlords who deserve to get dragged?
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 01:25 (four years ago) link
Those dudes, sure
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Friday, 15 November 2019 01:26 (four years ago) link
They are undoubtedly scum. But Taylor Swift isn't the first pop star to sign a dodgy contract and she won't be the last.
Also, she already has more money than she could ever spend, so we're not exactly talking about Morris Levy ripping off Frankie Lymon here.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Friday, 15 November 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
This Variety article says, “Normally, performing older material live when the master recordings are held by someone else shouldn’t require permission”; and they’ve reached out to Big Machine for comment. I’m on pins & needles...
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Friday, 15 November 2019 01:46 (four years ago) link
i think the issue is theyre claiming the televised nature of the performances would count as a recording, idk if that would hold up in court or if there's any precedent
― ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
Yeah, definitely seems like the best way to deal with this dispute is to air your grievances in public and whip your insane fans up into a frenzy to abuse, humiliate and drag anyone who is on the other side of it. As if the inevitable consequence to it isn't going to be death threats to them and their families. Like, Scooter Braun's latest instagram post is about a friend who just died of cancer and all the comments are people piling on to abusing him. Death threats already starting.
― triggercut, Friday, 15 November 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
Oh, by the way, don't forget to stream the new Lover Remix, and Beautiful Ghosts from the motion picture Cats, out tomorrow!
― triggercut, Friday, 15 November 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:41 PM (one hour ago)
whenever you type "they are undoubtedly scum, but" you should probably just stop there and hit the back button
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 02:44 (four years ago) link
Thanks for that.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Friday, 15 November 2019 03:24 (four years ago) link
i think it's possible to think someone is a total scumbag and also think that it's not super great that a hugely popular musician is giving their fans licence to harass and doxx someone with very young children
― monotony, Friday, 15 November 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
lol we've really reached "think of the children!"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
I’m shocked that a famous person would take to twitter to air out their grievances
― omar little, Friday, 15 November 2019 04:04 (four years ago) link
I don’t think it’s too common for a star of her stature to “activate” her stanbase in this manner (if it was, this wouldn’t be news)
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Friday, 15 November 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
Yeah, there's airing your grievances and then there's literally having a direct call to action and saying "So this is where I'm asking for your help. Please let Scott Borchetta and Scooter Braun know how you feel about this", and then also asking them to put pressure on the other artists managed by Scooter, knowing full well what that means in terms of how her fans will respond. Her fans aren't sitting there typing well reasoned e-mails on business ethics and artistic ownership. They're frothing and baying for blood because someone didn't respect their queen, which is exactly what her wounded narcissistic ego wants.
Step back for a second and look at this whole dumb situation and it's one insanely wealthy and privileged multi-millionaire wielding her social power to unleash an attack on another two insanely wealthy and privileged multi-millionaires. If only people with influence put this amount of passion into something that actually mattered to the world.
― triggercut, Friday, 15 November 2019 05:02 (four years ago) link
i agree, scooter braun should give the masters to taylor and put all the money he was going to spend on them into something that matters more to the world
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 07:16 (four years ago) link
if this was twitter this is where I'd tell triggercut to just take the L
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
I think Taylor stans have been letting Borchetta and Braun know how they feel for quite awhile now.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
maybe we should hook this thread up with the Literary Clusterfucks 2013 thread
Swift’s hope, she said, was that these artists might “talk some sense into the men who are exercising tyrannical control over someone who just wants to play the music she wrote.”
surprised to see ilxors defend this self-pitying bs
― groovemaaan, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
Yay for self-pity, but sending fans after other artists seem problematic?
Borchetta 'n' Braun denies the allegations: https://pitchfork.com/news/taylor-swifts-ex-label-denies-her-tv-licensing-claims/ Though not totally convincing.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
― groovemaaan, Friday, November 15, 2019 7:42 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
damn you got us, even though this thread is mostly full of people not defending her rn
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
I think Taylor stans have been letting Borchetta and Braun know how they feel for quite awhile now.Braun was definitely swarmed for a few tweets after Taylor initially complained about the Big Machine deal, but I don’t think there was doxxing and death threats like were being reported y’day Just last year, Taylor was granted a restraining order against an obsessed fan with weapons; she knows that she (like every superstar) has mentally ill fans who may be violentAlso, one of the “several other artists” managed by Braun suffered an attack at a concert a few years back (not aimed at her personally)Don’t want to make a mtn out of what is hopefully a molehill, but Taylor’s tweet doesn’t seem very responsible for all these reasons.
― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
Also, one of the “several other artists” managed by Braun suffered an attack at a concert a few years back (not aimed at her personally)
Are you talking about Ariana? She's not managed by him anymore iirc
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
He's still her manager.
https://scooterbraun.com/music
― maura, Friday, 15 November 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
(and if you go to that site's main page it's flogging the CHARLIE'S ANGELS soundtrack she helmed)
― maura, Friday, 15 November 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
I hope Psy can withstand all the tweets
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
a nashville buddy of mine who works for b1g m@chine just informed me that their office is on lockdown today
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
aaaaand she's informing me they sent the office staff home for "security reasons"i mean you can be a taylor stan and hate scooter and whatever but these are HR people for crissakes
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 15 November 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
Did Taylor sign the contract or not? She either signed it and needs to shut up because those are the terms she agreed to, or she didn't sign it, and these guys need to be held accountable. Which is it? Did she not actually sign the contract?
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
what contract are we talking about here
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
― triggercut,
No.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
a lot of people in the comments of the variety post agree that you shouldn't ever complain about the terms of a contract you signed. i don't really think this is a reasonable position but ymmv
xxp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
lots of ppl in here very passionate about the sanctity of record label contracts
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, November 15, 2019 3:00 PM (seven minutes ago)bookmarkflaglink
i think you should take a walk
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
I'm new to this conflict, but from what I read, her company sold the rights to her early music to a different company who says she can't perform her old songs because that would violate the contract. They must be referring to a legal document if they're warning her with action. Did she sign a contract that limits her ownership of her music? Are these guys not following the language in the contract, or is Taylor not following the language in the contract. Is that clear Brad? As I said, I haven't been following this, but it seems like it should be pretty clear. Either there's a contract that she signed that limits her ability to perform / record these songs, or there isn't and she doesn't need to listen to what they say.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
are you conducting a deposition
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
tis the season. I recognize your tactics from watching the republicans today avoid the actual facts and legality of the situation. It's like artists bitching about their streaming royalties. They signed the fucking contracts, they need to live by the terms they agreed to. It's all in a pursuit of being rich and famous, and when they want more money, they start to freak out about the terms they agreed to. If i'm wrong, please let me know how. Maybe she never signed on to the terms they are trying to hold her to. In which case, then I'm fully on her side.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
I recognize your tactics from watching the republicans today avoid the actual facts and legality of the situation
dude are you fucking serious
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
it's Friday, go to happy hour
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, November 15, 2019 3:14 PM (one minute ago)
ok u sound like a psycho...
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 November 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
Ppl definitely continually disbelieve Taylor swift or think she’s overreacting w/r/t her dealings with shitty folks (cf kanye, kim, that groping DJ) so I guess this wouldn’t be any different. I don’t think she needs the attention, I think this situation feels weird in terms of her not being allowed to perform certain songs for this purpose (I have no reason to believe she’s not telling the truth), idk I’m not even a fan here but people really dislike her a lot and do not trust her motives for reasons that seem a bit more to do with perceptions of her persona vs what she actually deals with.
― omar little, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
I'm serious about asking if anyone thinks she signed a contract that binds her to the terms these guys are trying to hold her to. The other part was joking. Do you know if this is violating the terms she signed on to or is your reaction just 'leave britney alone'?
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
i'm not even a taylor swift fan but being against her doing this is completely bizarre to me. like there's a lot of projected animus itt lol
― cheese canopy (map), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
to use a comparison made a few minutes ago, some posters be acting like Ken Starr looking for perjury traps.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
i have no idea what the contents of the contract taylor swift signed when she was 16 are; presumably they allowed braun to obtain the ownership of her masters when he purchased big machine with the support of the carlyle group, without taylor being able to do much about it. it's possible in the terms of her og big machine contract that taylor would've only been able to obtain ownership her masters "one album at a time" through negotiating another deal with big machine which came across to me as a little extortion-y but i'm no lawyer. taylor swift's lawyer denies that this offer was ever on the table though. both braun and borchetta weirdly evasive about what taylor can and can't do in their statement ("we haven't blocked the netflix doc or her ama performance" =/= "we haven't blocked her old songs or the performance of her old songs in this venues"). imo "did she sign a contract??? bc if she did she should stfu" seems to not even be the point of this whole thing
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
thankfully ilx is a court of law where we can get this whole thing sorted out
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
Well, the end result of this conflict will only be decided by looking at the contract with lawyers, so absolutely nothing else matters. Did she sign the contract (and more specifically, what does the contract say she can do) is the entire point of this thing.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
i assume you'll get the answer to these questions by posting the same thing over and over again on a message board
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link