it's all bobby mcpherrin, all day in my world
― xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
also frank rules.
I'm listening to Terry Callier right now! Man could scat.
― fetter, Friday, 20 December 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link
I *love* Callier, esp The New Folk Sound of
― Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
scott walker scats lol
― ingredience (map), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
Harry Nilsson did a fair bit fwiw.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZblX-nhdLE
― omar little, Friday, 20 December 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
... and Big Youth!
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
Steven Tyler, people!
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
Also: it's sad that Sinatra never got around to covering "Dream On".
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
it's never been mentioned itt but A Man Alone has a couple gloomy gems even if the concept is almost unbearably goofy (though of course not as goofy as "The Future")
― Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trash_Can_Sinatras― mh, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:04 AM (one year ago)
the only sinatra that matters.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 20 December 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 20 December 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
Travel news with Valerie Sinatra (The Day Today) pic.twitter.com/hYkYphHxnd— Chris Morris Bits (@Morris_Bits) March 1, 2018
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
is there a definitive Frank biography? even that two-part HBO doc barely seemed to scratch the surface
The two volume biography by James Kaplan is supposed to be the one to go for, much like Guralnick’s bios of Presley. Caveat is I haven’t read them.
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 20 December 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
I don’t know if there’s a thread for acts whose best album is a live album, but for me Sinatra is in that category with a few others, Johnny Cash comes to mind. Both were kind of larger than life characters and that really comes through on albums like At the Sands or At Folsom Prison.
― o. nate, Friday, 20 December 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
wondering how many people itt regularly or ever listen to music featuring scat singing of any kind
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, December 20, 2019 2:32 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Dizzy Gillespie's 1940s work with his big band gets regular play in my house.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
I don't really understand the Elvis vs. Sinatra thing; they were such fundamentally different performers, with fundamentally different approaches. Sinatra could only make a ridiculous fool of himself if he ever attempted what Elvis did on "Blue Moon Of Kentucky" or "How Great Thou Art," just as Elvis would've been at sea if he'd tried to do what Frank did on "Mood Indigo" or "Something," the latter being a particularly clear illustration of how each approached the same material from different angles/perspectives.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
It's really just the generational thing about Elvis displacing Sinatra as the most popular solo singer, and VEGAS.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 20 December 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
just to bring it full circle: elvis called dean martin his favoite singer
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 20 December 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
I listen to a fair amount of music w/scat singing and would like I register the following Challenging Opinions itt for posterity:Frank Sinatra could reasonably be considered a jazz singer Frank Sinatra was a good singerFrank Sinatra has a few pretty good to really good albums
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
(Nb: I am also in the mafia)
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:06 (four years ago) link
Dino's voice is very pleasing, and it works well if you don't give a shit as he doesn't
Elvis was a huge fan and debtor
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, December 20, 2019 2:27 PM
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, December 20, 2019 5:13 PM
double helix
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
At least it was below Ornette Coleman's dignity to bang Nancy Reagan on the floor of some backroom in the Whitehouse. And didn't old Blue Eyes have some oedipal thing going on in the early days?
I used to work and often drink with with an Afro-Caribbean guy known as "Chicken" who was a Frank obsessive and karaoke king, had a huge portrait of him on the feature wall of his lounge. He always dressed in crap suits and wore a trilby with a pigeon feather in it. I'm not making this up!
― calzino, Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link
I suspect Sinatra was a rather shitty person but I've never esp believed that Reagan story. I don't think he liked em that twiglike.
anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSawinsjVKs
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 December 2019 02:47 (four years ago) link
Can’t speak to his unpleasant personal failings but, in addition to Miles Davis, I believe Lester Young also listened extensively to Sinatra, particularly ballads.Another similarity between Frank and Elvis: have heard stories about both of them, at least during certain points in their career about both of them being very active in the studio in the arrangement/production of their records, despite being “only” vocalists.Finally, since Dornröschen has outed themself as a celebrated jazz pianist, would love to know the roster of scat-tastic singers they have accompanied.
― Don’t Slander Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 December 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
https://kyigt1bcans3ofli94di0kch-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2013/12/skatkat.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 December 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
Who knew Wynton Marsalis had so many ILM socks?
― a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 December 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/TX1u5zZ.jpg
― calstars, Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
I think there is an edge of sarcasm in Frank's voice that always seems to crowd out any warmth. Check his duet with Bing "Well, did you evah..", ok, he's supposed to be drunk, but there's a mean edge in there. Contrast that with other swing singers like Dino and Bing. Someone mentioned Terry Callier upthread, well he has swing in his voice, but it's rich and warm.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 22 December 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
mean (I'd just call it edgy) often works w/ Cole Porter
Sinatra is usually warm in the ballads, at least in his prime
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 December 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
I listened to ‘Only the Lonely’ on a whim (partly stirred by this thread) and found myself enjoying it. The late Romantic orchestral sheen à la Delius or even early Berg and Debussy got me, as well as the fact that Frank isn’t really ‘crooning’.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 22 December 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
late Sinatra (My Way etc) sounds grumpy af to my ears ... also the Live w Count Basie his crowd banter he sounds like he is moments away from telling audience to fuck off but i agree w morbs, the meanness works w porter - cocky, even? - and his ballads have a lot of warmth
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
also the Live w Count Basie his crowd banter he sounds like he is moments away from telling audience to fuck offbut i agree w morbs, the meanness works w porter - cocky, even? - and his ballads have a lot of warmth― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:50 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
but i agree w morbs, the meanness works w porter - cocky, even? - and his ballads have a lot of warmth
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:50 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, complaining about Sinatra sounding too cocky is like complaining about Moon playing too many fills.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
both are valid?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
Have a soft spot for Frank as he was a big influence on me when I was developing my singing style.
Loved his version of Webb's "Didn't We"
― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:11 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Both are inherent to their presentation and what made them great.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
Q: I Really Dislike Frank Sinatra: How alone am I? A: exactly this alone, as you deserve to be:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/No_One_Cares_%28Frank_Sinatra_album_-_cover_art%29.jpg/220px-No_One_Cares_%28Frank_Sinatra_album_-_cover_art%29.jpg
― Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
well played
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 December 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Heh.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Monday, 23 December 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
That doesn't invalidate the criticism
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 23 December 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
i’m now imagining your singing style as a sinatra croon delivered at a king diamond pitch and if i’m wrong please don’t correct me because i think it might be the sound i’ve been looking for my whole life
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:43 PM bookmarkflaglink
this heart of miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinebelongs to Amonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 December 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
*tips fedora, throws up insouciant devil horns*
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 December 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
Both are inherent to their presentation and what made them great.That doesn't invalidate the criticism
This Metallica is too metallic. This hamburger tastes like beef. This weed got me stoned. Frank Sinatra was too cocky/took my dame. You go to Sinatra when you want cocky brio.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 23 December 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
the ballad/"wrist-slitter" albums (as Frank called them) are 99% cocky brio-free tho, and also some of his best material.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 December 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
I would argue that the manic-depressive contrast between those two approaches ("No One Cares" vs. "Come Fly With Me" for ex) is one of the keys to his greatness.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 December 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
And Sinatra knew what he was doing, because he basically alternated releasing upbeat and downbeat albums for a number of years. If the new swingin' album wasn't your cup of tea you could just wait a few months for the next wrist-slitter to come out.
― Josefa, Monday, 23 December 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
horrible analogies lol
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 23 December 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
Just because some people (even MANY people!) like the very things one dislikes about something, doesn't invalidate their criticism. Hi, welcome to the world of subjectivity.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 23 December 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link