Taking sides: nu-ilm vs old-ilm

I do feel slightly bad that someone who has put so much work into this board is unhappy with the way things are going; especially since I certainly haven't done anything for ILM at the technical level, and wouldn't know how to.

(Yes, I have spent an excessive amount of time today online, but it's been a rubbish sort of day.)

It's just "Fuck off" as the only reply to a thread is a bit lame, yes?

Oh for fucks sake, of course its lame. Ive apologised, what more can you do? Self righteous fuckers the lot of you. Wish I was so perfect.

Wheres Queen G when you need him.

Graham can you please delete my IP address and ban me or whatever you do to make youself happy . Fuck me.

Chow.

Also, I think ILE would go down the dumper completely if ILM were to be deleted - the way I see it, a love of music is what unites us all, it's the one (admittedly very broad) common ground and so it's quite right it should stay at the centre of things here. Without it, it's possible that ILE really would decend into some sort of irrelevent mutual-friendly society of little relevence to new posters.

Jesus back around answer 30 or 32 it was really interesting and now look at it.

Hear hear!

That said, I'd actually argue that the board is -- for my tastes, obviously -- on an upswing: I don't know if it's just good new additions or the older "nu-ILM" people settling into a good rhythm and everyone getting to know one another, but I've been enjoying it a lot more lately. Please, though, don't anyone start any more "is ILM dying" threads: it's just really draining to see too much of this particular discussion.

hurrah!! roXoR!! ect ect!!

I think I'm one of the hated nu-ILM people, but I can say that it's seemed the same to me every since I first posted.

I thought that I this was about nu-metal but it seems to me that i stepped into a place where Doctor Who Conventionists go when no Doctor Who convention is in town.

Only, y'know...without the Coke.

you're old-ilm to me dominique

(i think this solves our dilemma)

Or, given my spotty postings and long absences, am I just a mouse crawling underneath the floorboards?

I'm one of the new boys. I know this because I googled my way in (social suicide around here huh) a few weeks ago and wrote a few antagonistic stroke mindless stroke keen like Roy posts which caused me to be systamatically ripped up by several of the rug'lars.

However, rather than being put off, I realised that I had discoverd a wonderful forum filled with wonderful people with wonderful things to say. And so I remain. Can't comment too much on old versus new ilx but I would say that what we seem to have here is a pretty vibrant stroke entertaining stroke enlightening forum. If it was even more so in the days of yore then, well, damn und blast.

Anyway, on a more personal note, if I properly hacked anyone off or anyone feels that my posts are totally for shit then I am most dreadfully sorry.

Also, I find it very unfortunate that Dave Q isn't posting threads anymore - they had become probably my most favorite thing on ILM.

This shift is irreversible whether people liked "Old ILM" or not. With the shift comes certain responsibilities, too - like thinking of the board as a 'community' and trying to be friendly to 'newcomers', neither of which the old ILM cared at all about.

(The "offputting to newcomers" argument I pretty much reject anyway. Most posters are made of sterner stuff I'd hope particularly since every internet forum since the internet began has had this exact same conversation, including many where I've been the 'newbie' and my general attitude has been 'sod that, I like it and I'm staying'.)

I haven't been sweary to anybody yet, and I think the closest I got to rudeness was my overly facetious attitude to the first Q I saw Roger F. post, but I know that I've gone crassly stomping into some threads with a HERE'S MY OPINION negative attitude, threads that maybe I should just have ignored (eg Postcard Bands) - it's just that with some -ve opinions that have burnt a hole in your mind for 20 years or so, the chance to publicly vent them is jumped on!
And often, as I tried to touch upon in a recent thread, I think music you hate can be as 'important' as music you love.

I get annoyed when people come to ILM and go 'oh ILM thinks this' and 'ILM thinks that', but only because in my eyes if you post to ILM you're part of it (also because they're usually dead wrong)

I'm probably guilty of what Tom has described there - but, when you first start trawling around these parts, you do come to thinking that there are certain attitudes which are a kind of 'ILM aesthetic' (eg, very broadly, the 'pop' over 'rock' idea, sophisticated dismissals of certain difficult-to-define ideas/attitudes which are 'naive' or CLOSE_YR_EYES_MARKS 'rockist' OPEN_EYES_AND_RELAX, an unequivocal celebration of wide-ranging eclecticism etc.)

I stumbled into this forum because I had for months already been going through a phase of obsessive re-interest in a particular musical period and its meaning to me, and googling a genre term led me here - but it has already become (disturbingly) addictive to keep reading these boards, and I really don't want anything bad to happen to them.
I have been wondering over the last couple of weeks whether I'm capable of having an interesting opinion on anything - but having just read Tom's last sentence, maybe I'll try to adopt that attitude.

should have been '....learn enough to paddle in deeper waters' or some equally inventive non-writer cliché.