xp pretty much anyone inducted on the Motown label not named Marvin Gaye or Smokey Robinson
― Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
or Stevie obvs
Many of the Motown performers were exceptional singers, imo. I don't care about Pat Benatar one way or the other, the whole Rock Hall thing is stupid, but in no way would I consider her an exceptional singer. I don't know what she has going for her except a handful of big hits to her name, and by that standard just about anybody who charts more than a couple of times is going to get in.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
I don't care about Pat Benatar one way or the other, the whole Rock Hall thing is stupid, but in no way would I consider her an exceptional singer. I don't know what she has going for her except a handful of big hits to her name, and by that standard just about anybody who charts more than a couple of times is going to get in.
Benatar has five platinum albums (Crimes Of Passion and Precious time were quadruple and double platinum, respectively), three gold albums, and 15 Top 40 hits, including four Top Ten hits. By any measure she is a major artist. And as mentioned above, she has a massive voice and extensive formal training.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
great singer obv
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
she is not that great of a singer.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
amazing
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
I don't think she's a bad singer!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link
I mean, by all of the above standards Bon Jovi belongs in there too, but I think Bon Jovi sucks. I like Pat Benatar a lot more than I like Bon Jovi.
I dunno, I think in my brain I apply the vague standard of impact and influence.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
Again, whole system is stupid and silly! But there has to be some standard, right? Otherwise everyone gets in. Should Rick Springfield be in there? Sure! How about Orleans? Sure! Pablo Cruise? Sure! And so on.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
What standard does Joan Jett meet that Pat Benatar doesn't?
― Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
joan jett rocks
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link
how is this hard
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link
Yeah, there's that. I think she's a more distinctive singer, I think her history is more important, I think she was a pioneering independent artist with Blackheart records, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link
I think there are people influenced by Joan Jett, and no one influenced by Pat Benatar. Maybe Patty Smyth?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
Benatar was an incredible singer. She trained in opera first growing up which probably helped. Always loved her dirtier vocals too
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
pat benatar is both an excellent singer and someone who doesn't belong in the rock hall. not sure why she's become such a cause celebre.
but the floodgates are open now, might as well let her in. she's much better than the other jamokes jic mentioned upthread.
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
Give them time!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
letting Benatar in would not flood the gates with fuckin Go West type groups
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
Give them time, too!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
Until Judas Priest gets in, the HoF could be flooded with manure for all i care
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
That would be ... breaking the law.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
I think in my brain I apply the vague standard of impact and influence.
OK, so define these vague terms in a way that excludes a multiplatinum artist who broke significant ground for other female singers in hard rock music.
Also, Benatar and her husband/lead guitarist wrote a significant number of her singles; most if not all of Joan Jett's hits were covers ("I Love Rock & Roll," "Crimson and Clover," "Do You Wanna Touch Me").
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:29 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lolwut
You don't think that, just off the cuff, Amy Lee was a Pat Benatar fan?
― Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
I would be pretty surprised if that tipped the scales for anyone on the fence about whether or not to go see the Doobies in 2020.
Veronica Moser suggested induction meant something tangible to the Doobie Brothers--I'm just trying to figure out what that is. VM also mentioned "bottom line," so I assume that means a financial advantage of some kind.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
i dig Joan Jett a ton but i don't find her *more* distinctive than Pat Benatar, nor a better singer.
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
i do not understand why benetar doesn't belong in the rock hall given that i don't even fucking understand why a lot of people are/are not in the rock hall in the first place
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
like do y’all care about this long-incoherent institution so much
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
I mean, influence and relevance is tough...like I would totally put MC5 in
I can also hardly think of a rock band that seems less relevant to music today
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
I mean if that dickhole Bongiovi got in...
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
Xpost otm
Let's all agree that DMB not getting in rules and we should troll their fans
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
I've got to say again that I come at this from the perspective of a baseball fan. The Baseball HOF inductions are cause for much sniping every year, both for who goes in and who doesn't. As objectively as possible, I've got to say that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame bar is much, much lower. (The first few years, when it was Chuck Berry and the Beatles and such going in, the two were on about even footing.) When Harold Baines went into Cooperstown last year, there was (warranted) apoplexy--it was a a terrible choice, the worst in years. But the musical equivalent of Harold Baines, whoever it is, would be a far more legitimate Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee than the Doobie Brothers and Pat Benatars and Nine Inch Nails of the world. I'm sure of this.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
it would and will be Foo Fighters, so less legitimate imo
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
ok, music isn't sports xp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
Is Bongiovi a dickhole? I thought he was supposed to be an ok guy (anyway, his band is in, but not him personally).
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
jon bong jovi
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
Now, John Mellencamp is (notoriously) a major dickhole -- and when he didn't get into the HoF in his first year of eligibility, he smashed up his patio with a sledgehammer in a fit of anger!
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
haha Mellencamp is such a greaser
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
Very unchill, Johnny Cougar.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
DMB will get in soon enough.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/2020-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-ranked.html
a decent worst music writing candidate from awhile back, if it wasn't already submitted
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:03 (four years ago) link
oooh classic bill wyman trash
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
I hate to compare female nominees with other female nominees; that is itself a sexist construct. But for the record,
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link
The case for hall inclusion is that Depeche Mode was a fairly popular synth-rock band in the ’80s and ’90s, a plain cut above the Thompson Twins and the like; the case against is that Gahan has a tedious, stentorian voice and Gore was nothing other than a serviceable songwriter. New Order’s work was dark and complex during this period; Gore’s, by contrast, felt a bit sophomoric, in the literal sense — like the work of a talented college sophomore who liked New Order. Beyond that, New Order has close to half a dozen timeless top-tier dance-rock classics. Depeche Mode doesn’t have one. The nomination feels like the product of an organization that doesn’t quite understand the music it thinks it’s honoring.
this guy is a fucking moron!
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
Lol at the bullshit he wrote about Biggie
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
it's amazing how full of shit he is, every time, no matter what he's writing about
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
I would like to reiterate this excellent point
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
He is unquestionably a heralded rapper from a certain time, but this has to be seen in the context of that time — which is that the music became highly commercialized and ever more crudely articulated psychotic tropes about sex and violence, and Smalls bought into it big-time. All sorts of arguments can be made in support of such material, although it should be noted that they change; they’re a joke one minute, real-life missives from the streets the next (and yes, I know Johnny Cash once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die). Of course, gangsta rap is a valid form and, again of course, Smalls is a master, but he’s still a guy who wrote an awful lot of songs about getting blow jobs from “bitches.”
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
... no one tell him what "Afternoon Delight" is about or what The Loving Spoonful are named after
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link