great post
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:40 (four years ago) link
yah perfect
― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65dRRa3GoM
this isn't on that comp but it's probably one of my favorite songs full stop.
― oiocha, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:56 (four years ago) link
I think if I made a list of "Top 10 songs I can't believe weren't ever on a studio album", Ween would have like 6 of them
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link
True, without pulling from any b-sides they could easily fill an all-killer Shinola Vol 2. I don't get why it hasn't happened yet.
― billstevejim, Friday, 14 February 2020 06:34 (four years ago) link
it's weird they turned into the grateful dead for people who know who Steve Albini is
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
Omg this is so accurate
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 14 February 2020 07:34 (four years ago) link
Did they have a jam band audience at all before Phish started playing Roses Are Free (1997)?
― ☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 14 February 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link
I don't think so, they were marketed as an "alternative" act when they arrived on the scene in the height of 90s alternative music marketing mania.
― BrianB, Friday, 14 February 2020 12:45 (four years ago) link
I don't know, but I definitely knew some guys in college circa 1994-95 that listened to a lot of jam bands but also listened to a ton of Ween.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 February 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
In fact, now that I think about it, it was the guy that taped me my first batch of Dead tapes in college that also introduced me to Chocolate and Cheese and Pure Guava.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 February 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
Dean said the process of making the first one was really exhausting - apparently a lot of the demos weren't really in releasable condition, so a lot had to be recorded fresh. Also they don't really like revisiting old songs. Still, a Shinola Vol. 2 would sell a ton of copies so yeah idk why they didn't make it
― frogbs, Friday, 14 February 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link
I'm not exhaustive in keeping up with Ween in message boards or anything, but a buddy sent me a 4-disc, 100-song rarities thing years ago that I understand to be pretty widely appreciated. It's still my most listened to Ween thing:
::VOLUME 1::1.I Smoke Some Grass And Get Really Really High (B-side)2.Mango Woman (B-side)3.Puerto Rican Power pts.1&2 (B-side)4.Now I'm Freaking Out (C&C outtake/B-side)5.There's A Pig (B-side)6.Vallejo (B-side)7.Ode To Rene' (B-side)8.Bakersfield9.Skycruiser10.Cruise Control11.Sweet Texas Fire (Piss Up A Rope B-side)12.Albino Sunburned Girl (Holland 1990-From Jug Is Quaid Tape)13.Hippy Smell14.I'm Fat15.I'm Fat pt.216.Fat Albert17.Little Peta18.Oblongs (Little Peta diff.mix)19.Little Peta (drum mix)20.Koko (demo?)21.Koko22.Silent Night23.Mr.Mocha (Pure Guave outtake version)24.Big Dick Black25.Spleen26.Motown (with vocals)27.Main Vein28.S'amuse Comme Un Peut29.Transitions30.Grounded For Life (13 second T.V. version)
::VOLUME 2::31.I Got No Darkside (12 GCG outtake)32.So Long Jerry (12 GCG outtake)33.Booze Me Up And Get Me High (Mollusk outtake)34.I'll Be Your Johnny On The Spot (demo version)35.Mr Richard Smoker (90 Second TV version-never used)36.Cornbread Red37.Cornbread Red (dub mix)38.Who Dat?39.Shot Heard 'Round The World (Schoolhouse Rocks)40.Boys Club41.I'll Miss You (Beautiful Girls Soundtrack)42.Eye 2 The Sky (rejected song for 'Muppets In Space')43.Love (Orgasmo Soundtrack)44.Fancy Pants (Crank Yankers version)45.Greg The Bunny (written for TV show-never used)46.Homo Rainbow (demo)47.Homo Rainbow (Chef Aid version)48.Loop De Loop (Spongebob Squarepants episode)49.I Can't Put My Finger On It (Conan O'Brien)50.Freedom Of 76' (120 Minutes Performance-1995)51.Golden Eel (Viva Variety-1997))52.Buckingham Green (Nothing TV-Public Access Television show-1997)53.She Wanted To Leave (Nothing TV-Public Access Television show-1997)54.Mutitlated Lips (Oddville-1997)55.Exactly Where I'm At (Letterman-2000)56.Making Love In The Gravy (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)57.Dual (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)
::VOLUME THREE::58.Beacon Light (X-Files Soundtrack)59.Stallion Pt.4 (C&C Outtake)60.Did You See Me? (Mollusk Outtake)61.I Still Love You (Done for Mickey and Aaron's Insurance Salesman)62.Junky Boy (Pandy Fackler Tape)63.No More Tears (Pandy Fackler Tape)64.Numb To The Lung (Pandy Fackler Tape)65.Nicole Pt.4 (Pandy Fackler Tape)66.Purple Haze (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)67.The Wind Cries Mary (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)68.Bold As Love (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)69.Little Wing (Deaner Does Jimi Tape)70.Kansas City Star71.Love Will Conquer All72.Chairman Of My Destiny73.Unknown Title (demo)74.Baboon Pt.275.Time To Yourself76.Surfeited77.Little Miss Mandee78.Happy Colored Marbles (Carson Daly Show-2003)
::VOLUME FOUR::79.Square Wave Jam (Electro Harmonix Micro Synth Demo)80.Touch My Tooter (KCRW Radioshow-Morning Becomes Eclectic)81.Buenos Tardes Amigo (demo)82.Flutes Of The Chi (Mollusk Outtake/Reject version)83.Ocean Man (demo version)84.Mickey (Pigface-Deaner & Andrew)85.Cold-Mickey pt.2 (Pigface-Deaner & Andrew)86.Hello Johnny (White Pepper Demo)87.I'll Wait (Mollusk Outtake/Demo)86.She'll Just Get You (White Pepper Demo)89.Fool To Cry (Rolling Stones Cover)90.Argus (Not Quebec version-completely diff.song)91.Even If You Don't (demo)92.Where'd The Cheese Go? (Pizza Hut Commercial rejected song)93.Where'd The Motherfucking Cheese Go At? (reworked Pizza Hut jingle)94.Champagne Jam (Run Ronnie Run Soundtrack)95.Transdermal Celebration (Quebec rehearsals)96.Ooh Va La (Quebec rehearsals)97.Tried And True (Quebec rehearsals)98.Alcan Road (Quebec rehearsals)99.Ooh Va La (Quebec outtake/B-side)100.Mountains And Buffalos (Quebec outtake/B-side)
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 February 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
Still, a Shinola Vol. 2 would sell a ton of copies so yeah idk why they didn't make itPeople stopped buying tons of copies of anything, and Aaron & Mickey stopped working together offstage. It’s been, what, fourteen years since they recorded anything?
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
well yeah it would be bizarre if they made it now. they should've done it in 2009.
― frogbs, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
I'm saying that we can now see that they had stopped working together by 2009
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
The Grateful Dead / ween connection was...dudes who smoked weed
― calstars, Friday, 14 February 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
^ Jon's friend's mix can be found on slsk fwiw
― calstars, Friday, 14 February 2020 22:24 (four years ago) link
It's also on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/WeenBSidesDemosRarities
― ernestp, Saturday, 15 February 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
That material and much more besides can be found in this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/ween/comments/5shi2h/ween_unreleased_anthology_35/
― ringworm, Saturday, 15 February 2020 07:42 (four years ago) link
― joygoat, Saturday, 15 February 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
Just wanted to say that White Pepper is a genius pop album
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:20 (four years ago) link
i love white pepper maybe my fave
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
Cat stevens is on "Gener" terms with gene ween pic.twitter.com/hyLmq7Vxaj— josh 'Letterman' (oldfriend99) (@oldfriend99) August 10, 2017
<3
― donald failson (sic), Thursday, 2 April 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
I haven't listened to any Ween studio albums in a while, but I just listened to Quebec and I'm both stunned at how fucking great it is and irritated that they couldn't keep it going for a few more albums. I think everything they were aiming for they found right here. Now I'm looking on RYM and it's their highest rated (3.93) - when did that happen!?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I don't know if I can offer any further info on the why of it, but Quebec has really quietly turned into a consistent fan favorite over the last five or so years.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
Speaking of Ween (glad you bumped this thread today frogbs, they've been on my mind what with Deaner's bday), is there any sort of attempted comprehensive list of the stylistic homages they do to other bands on the internet? There's quite a few reddit threads dedicated to the idea, but none that seem all encompassing.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Don't forget to pair Quebec with era-appropriate B-sides (ooh va la & mountains and buffalo) and the Caesar demos
― Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
Quebec is easily my favorite. It is the deepest and most of the songs are about Heavy Shit. I wish they had made the soft rock album that I know they had in them. Your Party is my favorite from Cucaracha.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
I wonder if the release of the Caesar demos has something to do with its re-evaluation. As good as the album is I do wish they found a place for those 2 B-sides at least. Ooh Va La was my favorite track on it for a while (but it's only on the Japanese version that I had to download)
― frogbs, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
I've seen the rumour crop up that supposedly those demos being leaked was a source of disgruntlement between the two of them
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
Your Party is my favorite from Cucaracha.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:40 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
'Your Party' has become one of my favorites, period. It never fails to slay me with its normcore decadence.
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
yeah I think Gene was not happy that it leaked. iirc he didn't really want to do the Shinola album either and is probably the reason why they didn't release more of them. its too bad because they have some insanely good B-sides. I think The Mollusk is one of the best albums ever but even still it's fucking insane that "Kim Smoltz" was left off of it, even crazier that it never came out in any real form whatsoever. lotta bands would kill to write a song as good as that.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
“Mountains” could be a super furry animals tune
― calstars, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
Mangoiy woman
― calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link
I had to hard reset my phone to get this to stop playing. Lmao
― calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/VCjJIC3.jpg
― calstars, Saturday, 23 January 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
I saw them in LA last night for my first post-pandemic concert and it fucking ruled. I was slightly annoyed about how much I paid for the tickets but it was 100% worth it.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, 7 November 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
I see they’re doing “From the Beginning” by ELP now which is awesome
The few recent set lists I’ve seen have been incredible. They just have so many amazing deep cuts to choose from
― frogbs, Sunday, 7 November 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
Are they purely a nostalgia act now? I want a new album, goddammit!!
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 8 November 2021 08:25 (two years ago) link
Not a nostalgia act, more a 'professional' live act for some great jobbing musicians. I doubt there will ever be another record. Not even sure they can be bothered to release archival stuff.
― ringworm, Monday, 8 November 2021 10:15 (two years ago) link
There was an attempt at an album circa 2010 wasn't there? Wonder why coming up with something new is such a dead end for them
― PaulTMA, Monday, 8 November 2021 12:20 (two years ago) link
I assume that they don't gel as songwriters anymore and when they're not making money off of touring they're spending time with their respective families. Aaron's solo stuff is really good, Mickey's is crap.
― Cow_Art, Monday, 8 November 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link
Armchair analysis -- I always assumed Aaron doesn't want to inhabit the mind of Gener fully enough to write material because that's a short hop to relapse. Performing older material is risky enough.
― Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Monday, 8 November 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link
yea Aaron's solo album is better than the two Mickey did but I think they're both missing what the other brings
― frogbs, Monday, 8 November 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link
Why Dean And Gene Are The Weirdo Lennon & McCartney
https://thequietus.com/articles/30826-ween
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link
That was a great start to the article, but this is how I learn that portions of Quietus are paywalled now...
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0VACUzXIck
― joygoat, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link
lol
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/p1KTfxG.jpg
― calstars, Sunday, 19 June 2022 14:43 (two years ago) link